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    I played a gig on Friday night and was extremely disappointed in the performance of my 71 Deluxe Reverb. This was only the third gig in a year played with this amp. One was outdoors, in a backyard, and it was great. I had it up to about 4.5 on the volume knob, great breakup, and loud enough. I rehearse with this amp weekly and it's always been great.

    So... Friday night, during soundcheck, everything was fine... empty room, 20 foot ceiling, so I figured things would change when it filled up... figured I'd have to turn it up and add some treble. But after we started, with a room full of people, I turned it up to about 5.5 (I've done this before, knowing I'd get more breakup with little, if any, volume boost) and I was getting the most distorted, washed out crap I've ever heard out of this thing! I turned it back down to about 4.5 and it was still very distorted. One thing though, I was getting great sustain! just no clean headroom. I really should have just mic'ed it, but I had no time by then.

    About the amp: It was a stock early silverface when I got it with fried heater tap resistors, a fried screen grid resistor, and a few bad solder joints on brass-plate grounds. After all new caps (ALL of them) new JJ tubes, a 5v4 recto (to lower voltages a bit) and quite a few new CC resistors, just to be sure, this thing has been the greatest DR in the world for two years! (the Tone Tubby AlNiCo hempcone helped a lot!)

    So... this morning I pulled the chassis out, contemplating swapping in some GT 6L6's and a solid state recto I have laying around, and thought I'd check the bias as is first. The Left tube reads 32ma @ 463V on the plate and the right tube reads 19ma @ 463V.

    Did my matched JJ 6v6's go out of spec? 19 ma was where I originally biased them at (I think). The left one was noticeably hotter also...like REALLY hot!

    I have read that the new JJ 6v6's are the best current tube to handle a DR's over spec voltages but I have also read that the quality control is spotty and many come defective out of the box. But mine worked great for two years. Any Ideas?

    Also... I have a little 47uF 100v electrolytic cap coming off my bias pot. It's not on the AB763 ckt and I don't remember why I put it there. I did change the bias to blackface specs but left that cap. I don't remember why and I can't find any info on it... should I take it off?

  • #2
    Deluxe Rvb

    I would try new 6V6 tubes.
    That 47uf/100V cap is fine just where it is.
    Kind of a high value. 47uf.
    I know the rectifier tubes do not like too much capacitance.

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    • #3
      I will try different tubes on Tusday at rehearsal...
      What is the purpose of that extra capacitor... it's just on the other side of the pot from the 100uF 100v bias cap, basically in parallel with it. I already went through a lot of troubleshooting (GZ34 > 5U4 > 5U4... etc.) trying to get the plate voltages down... and 463 is still too high. I'd like to bias it down at 23mA or so for cleaner headroom and tube life, but that increases the plate voltages...

      Any Ideas on how to get lower voltages? Is there a simple way to mess with the voltage divider without getting into too much math?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Steve Casas View Post
        Any Ideas on how to get lower voltages? Is there a simple way to mess with the voltage divider without getting into too much math?
        Power Zener diode or amplified power zener. These setups will simply wipe off X volts from the B+.

        They do it, unfortunately, by wasting the change in volts times the power supply current used as heat, so they can give off a lot of heat if they drop a lot of volts. But 25-50V is not too hard.

        See MOSFET Follies at GEOFEX and look down near the end for "B+ Reducer". I'm not kidding when I say that you must provide an adequate heat sink for the MOSFET. And this stuff is all live to the B+, so there is a genuine shock hazard in setting it up.

        Resistor dividers will not do what you want - they eat too much power for the change in voltage they provide.
        Amazing!! Who would ever have guessed that someone who villified the evil rich people would begin happily accepting their millions in speaking fees!

        Oh, wait! That sounds familiar, somehow.

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        • #5
          Have you tried switching the 6V6's around to see if the hot biasing follows one, or if it's the socket?

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