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  • Need help repairing a Crate GT212

    I own this Crate amp, and at a rehearsal, I was playing normally with it, and suddenly it started stuttering and after a few seconds, went completely silent.
    Later I took it home and opened to see if I could spot some damage.
    Saw a lot of oxidization around a specific IC, proceeded to clean that with isopropyl alcohol and a toothbrush.
    After thorough cleaning I turned it on to test it.

    The amp appeared silent, except I could hear a very faint hum, I touched the speakers with my ear, and played my guitar, and I could hear the guitar.

    So, I tested all the amp's controls, and all of them worked fine, except without any volume at all, so I figured that only the power amp has gone dead, and that IC was part of it.

    I then proceeded on to replace that IC, I tried removing it as carefully as possible, but the corrosion destroyed a few of the board's trails, so I had to replace those trails with some wires.

    I searched high and low for a GT212 schematic, but could only find the GTX212 schematic.
    I compared the schematic to my board, and did not spot any difference, it's completely the same board, so I used this schematic as reference for re-creating the broken trails.

    Replaced the IC with a socket, so if the new IC would happen to die, I could easily replace it.

    After all my repairs were done, I went to test it again, and nothing changed, still no volume.


    At this point I gave it some thought and realized that, if the oxidization made it short circuit, delivering current to the signal feed, then all the ICs would be dead, and all the transistors could be dead, and maybe even some capacitors.

    So, my question is, could that have happened? Can I assume all the ICs and transistors are dead and replace everything? Or narrow it down to the part of the circuit that could have died (the power amp)?



    The IC after it has been replaced:
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    And the trails replaced by wires, not the best soldering work, but I just wanted to do a quick fx and test the thing.
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    I'm attaching the schematic as well.​
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    Last edited by Sabudum; 04-29-2024, 02:22 PM.

  • #2
    Hello Sabudum,
    As far as I can determine, I would double check the jumpers you have put in place. There may be an issue with the jumpers you soldered in to repair the IC connections. Counting down from the left upper IC connection (can't determine if it's pin 6 or pin 3), I see 2 white jumpers going to that pin. I don't see a trace that goes to that pin on the right side where you have put another white jumper. I might be because the trace is covered by that jumper. BTW, what is the IC reference number? I don't know which IC you are referring to.
    Other than that it is very common on the Crate amps for the contacts on the Return jack become oxidized & prevent the signal from getting thru. Easiest way to test for that is just to install a jumper cable between the Send & Return jacks.
    Other than that, would need more info eg: voltage measurements on that & other IC's especially pins 1,2,3 and 5.6.7.
    Thanx, Glen
    Last edited by Mars Amp Repair; 04-29-2024, 02:46 PM. Reason: correcting left-right

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    • #3
      Thanks a lot for your response!

      That pin with two jumpers is supposed to be like that, it's pin 2.
      The blue wire is the ground, it also has 2 connections on pin 4.

      Here's the IC pinout, just for reference, it's a TL072:
      https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ce-used-to.ppm

      The IC in question is IC2 in the schematic.

      I'll take some measurements from the board later, then post the results, I'll also try shorting the Send and Return jacks to see if that changes anything.

      BTW, here's the traces after I cleaned the board and removed the IC. They're pretty much gone, but you can still see where they used to be.
      https://i.imgur.com/bfr1pDF.jpeg

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      • #4
        This amp has an 'insert' jack rather than send & return, so you can try plugging your guitar into 'insert' and it will bypass the preamp (and IC2).
        The other thing is that the 'ext.spkr' jack has switch contacts that must close when ext. spkr is not used. If those switch contacts in the ext.spkr jack get oxidized, it can disconnect the internal speaker. So you might have to try cleaning that jack.
        Originally posted by Enzo
        I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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        • #5
          So, it's been quite a while, but I tested the amp thoroughly once again, I tried cleaning up the external speaker jack, bypassing it, connecting my guitar to the insert jack, with and without the foot switch, tried bypassing the foot switch jacks.
          Everything works fine, except, there's no volume, with my guitar into the Insert jack, the clean signal goes through, but barely audible, the volume is extremely low.
          Also tried plugging something into the frontal auxiliary RCA jacks, the signal goes through as well, but with very low volume.

          btw, I tested the speakers separately, and they work fine, it's not the speakers.

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          • #6
            I'd start by checking your +&-16V rails for the op amps. If one of them is missing, volume would be very low.
            "I took a photo of my ohm meter... It didn't help." Enzo 8/20/22

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