The "Peter Green" Humbucker Mod

[Hurricane]

My Guitar

In this case, either would work. It's flopping it end for end vertically that wouldn't help.

Nice guitar.

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Hello Ronsonic :


Took me a long while researching state of the art guitars many years . Needed to do it on a working musician's budget .

Actually started late in the game on guitar after playing Blues , Country Western , Jazz and Standards with a harp . Eventually going from sideman to frontman on harp first too for many years and then my little miracle

36 years 3 months 11 days - - from when I stopped ( not my choice ) playing what little I knew as a kid to when a miracle happened and now I get to give it a second go in life at 48 ( On Oct. 12 1998 ) .

Took 3 months to heal from Oct . You see it was milk bottle glass embedded into my left chording hand and finger tips and the last SOB piece of glass on my left ring finger tip comes out .


So .... I needed too and did learn the stuff I made a $ all these years only now I gotta make it with a guitar and lots of hard dedicated time later - like 5 to 6 hour average 5 to 6 maybe 7 days a week it was first with a nylon classical type Spanish guitar for a year and then a nice steel string rosewood acoustic electric for 2 more years and I'm at the proverbial cross road .

What does now dictate in qualifying something that will give me anything from Muddy Waters to Hank Williams - T-Bone Walker - B . B . King to Peter Green and Santana - Moody Blues .

When I priced Gibson - Fender - Ibanez - and all the usual high profile guitar co.s and realized Godin for years was supplying most of them necks and other replacement wooden parts it made me re assess just what I wanted in an electric guitar state of the art's ville . With functionality - durability - craftsmanship - quality of tonewoods - and :

¨Bang For De Buck !

No one could touch da Godin .

kick in reviews online and from first hand remarks and listening - -

well when I saw the looks of the one I got ( and even had the gall to walk away form it when offered a way low deal below list and a new - demo - Roland GR33 guitar synthesizer module free ) I knew I was going to end up with it anyway

Came back 2 days later after realizing no one in southern California could come close to the first deal offered .

Weighs in like a Les Paul no fooling , I guess a solid mahogany body and neck like the LP really produces some solid sustain & I'm down with that .

The maple face is a trip to look into heh heh heh - I find myself lost just looking at it .


It's 7 years now with the electric and wow - never thought , although I prayed for years , that I would play guitar again . Once realizing on the nylon that I was ready for a steel string and then 4 years and I knew I was ready for an electric these past 7 years have flown like hyper space because I am having such a ball in the discovery of how it's done and the executing what I want to do on either one other the guitars I have .

I work and practice mostly on the nylon and the steel string acoustic electric - After I do that a while ( work out arrangements for weeks at a time ) on the nylon and steel string acoustic electric I then try out what I would arrange for the electric guitar and the guitar synthesizer sounds too . When I play the Godin I go faster than I ever thought this man could possibly go .

It has made me realize I have exceeded my wildest expectations of my ability to play a guitar decently to my own super critical judgment . And made me realize I can actually improve and go further too .

Thanks man easy now .

Hurricane Ramon

[dumbassbob]

Whats in a Name

Most guys won't even look at another guitar unless it say's Fender of Gibson.Look at how fads change things ,when EVH came out everone wanted a beatup strat with a humbuker,then Slash come with a vintage LP bing The price went UPPPPPP!!!

[Hurricane]

Too True Bout FADS

Most guys won't even look at another guitar unless it say's Fender of Gibson.Look at how fads change things ,when EVH came out everone wanted a beatup strat with a humbuker,then Slash come with a vintage LP bing The price went UPPPPPP!!!

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Hey Bob :


It's something that came along with TV I guess where a huge audience all saw the same thing for the first time at the same moment around the late 50's into the 60s when it first reared it's ugly intent .

I noticed this right off the top as a kid where a given situation something on the tube became popular and everyone one was watching so to speak at one time and all of a sudden " hip smokers " smoke X as opposed to the " cheaper " brand $h&# .

Commercialism is by far IMHO the single worse than any other single " ism " thang around .

We're bathed in it constantly and young and old minds ( remember the CARE BEARS or MY Little Pony crap ) jump for it only now instead Trix selling it's crap and what ever toy company hypnotizing it's now turned up a notch too Gibson or Fender and the other huge companies like Disney's Hanna Montanayoassa , or Nike and Tigerquickdick exploiting a target group ( Oh those poor little golfers they no not what they do do do ) and it look's like it's working too .

æ What's a Rock-N=Roller to do with his soul ? -

Pick your axe up and Rock man and damned the slings and arrows and the Milli Vanillis & Lady Gaga Googoo , full tilt boogie ahead man .

I just read Taylor guitars has sold during the last screwed up year more high priced guitars than ever before while the other companies like F & G and other biggie major dudes have been fading the other way .

Cream always rises to the top - only 5 % off anything bought with money lasts and is worth a $#*! in the past - now , and tomorrow .

And that includes talent in what ever - music - performing arts - any business . Oh did I say politicos too uuuuggg !

Easy blood :

Hurricane Ramon

[David Schwab]

when EVH came out everone wanted a beatup strat with a humbuker,then Slash come with a vintage LP bing The price went UPPPPPP!!!

Yeah, and back then you couldn't GIVE a Les Paul away! Everyone wanted a Strat with humbuckers. I bought an '81 LP Standard for $150 off a guy!

Funny thing is that Slash didn't play a Gibson LP on that first album. He played a LP copy.

Most guitarist these days are pretty damn boring when it comes to gear.

[Steve A.]

Yes, it's EXACTLY the same, though people seem to think it sounds different.

You don't need to flip the magnet, just swap the hot and ground wires, unless you have vintage style 2 conductor coax. Then flipping the magnet is easier.

While that is true for humbuckers I believe that there is a difference with P-90s, but that has partly to do with the magnetic effect on the string. With the typical NWNP P90's that Gibson often puts in their guitars. Having both pickups with the same polarity on top would have a different effect on the strings that one of each polarity (as in a RWRP pair like PRS uses in their SE Soapbar II's).

Not only that but I believe that if you flip magnets in a RWRP pair of P-90's that is in-phase the resulting middle position will be out of phase but humcancelling. (In experimenting with dummy coils it was my observation that the winding direction would determine if the combination was hum-cancelling or not.) If that is not correct please let me know! [I grew up with the Brosnac book as my Bible and he never addressed that combination in his charts.]


None of that would apply to a humbucker because the two coils are of opposite polarity, with the winding direction reversed electrically.

Thanks

Steve Ahola

P.S. When flipping magnets I always confirm polarity with my handy-dandy compass (which also helps if I get lost in my storeroom! )

[Steve A.]

One of the secrets to dialing in the OOP sound is working the volumes to get just the perfect amount of phase cancellation. I don't like them set where maximum cancellation occurs, I usually back the bridge off slightly to where the low end comes back into the mix just a bit, but you still have the funky nasal tonality.

Good point! The one guitar that I think works really well OOP is the tele because the neck and bridge pickups are so different. Of course it would work better if you have a volume control for each pickup.

The series OOP linkage with single coil pickups is pretty cool. Series linkages are often too dark and OOP linkages are often too "whiny"; combining the two works very well for me.

Steve Ahola

[Hurricane]

PU Magnetic Fields

While reading the posts here and other sources of info on this I came across Fernandes guitars and their PU kit for unlimited sustain :

Buy Fernandes FSK-401 Sustainer Pickup Kit | Strat Pickups (Single Coil) | Musician's Friend

NO I'm not selling the idea or promoting it

Sustainer

The above system works off of varying the strength of the PU's magnetic field like a :

" Ebow " < again - NO I'm not selling the idea or promoting it

Work with me and consider :

What got my mind going is that they are physically changing a magnetic field and the intensity of a single PU and this is the issue .

And .......

Maybe by the physical act of changing the magnet's polarity in a PU can and does change and affect the sound

And ...........

Not just the polarity switching at a switch clic .

Some one mentioned P90s have stronger and or more powerful a magnetic value - this could be a real factor to consider in this thread and manner in which mod is the :

" real deal "

sounding one . to consider employing .

These magnetic fields we don't see but like a bat we sure here the results of their power on the audio of an electric guitar

Whacha ya'l tinks ?

H R

[dumbassbob]

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Hey Bob :


It's something that came along with TV I guess where a huge audience all saw the same thing for the first time at the same moment around the late 50's into the 60s when it first reared it's ugly intent .

I noticed this right off the top as a kid where a given situation something on the tube became popular and everyone one was watching so to speak at one time and all of a sudden " hip smokers " smoke X as opposed to the " cheaper " brand $h&# .

Commercialism is by far IMHO the single worse than any other single " ism " thang around .

We're bathed in it constantly and young and old minds ( remember the CARE BEARS or MY Little Pony crap ) jump for it only now instead Trix selling it's crap and what ever toy company hypnotizing it's now turned up a notch too Gibson or Fender and the other huge companies like Disney's Hanna Montanayoassa , or Nike and Tigerquickdick exploiting a target group ( Oh those poor little golfers they no not what they do do do ) and it look's like it's working too .

æ What's a Rock-N=Roller to do with his soul ? -

Pick your axe up and Rock man and damned the slings and arrows and the Milli Vanillis & Lady Gaga Googoo , full tilt boogie ahead man .

I just read Taylor guitars has sold during the last screwed up year more high priced guitars than ever before while the other companies like F & G and other biggie major dudes have been fading the other way .

Cream always rises to the top - only 5 % off anything bought with money lasts and is worth a $#*! in the past - now , and tomorrow .

And that includes talent in what ever - music - performing arts - any business . Oh did I say politicos too uuuuggg !

Easy blood :

Hurricane Ramon

Think everyones on American Ihole,$25,000.00 for a Fender EVH guitar that he made for $150.00 I collect Guitar Mags for 38 yrs and Fender in 1981 saying they were going to keep things "real" Now there bigger then CBS ever was

[Wrix2]

Hurricane - the higher the coercivity of a magnet, the "Hotter" it is. Look and see if this is rated, such as Gauss being shown. The stronger the magnetic field, the hotter it is. I have never understood why electromagnets weren't wired differently in pickups as a simple variance in the current changes the tonality. So, simply said - more power - stronger magnetic field - hotter sound. This could be done with a wired magnet and embedding a 9V rechargeable battery in the guitar(think of SLM's 1980s line with effects). Rare Earth Magnets are stronger than Alnico, which are stronger than Ferrous magnets and all of these can be boosted if wired internally. To oversimplify, we still wire the way we did in the 1950s when we have electropolymers (Advanced Polymer Courses. Home Page) available to us. I foresee a pickup that reacts to the way a guitarist handles the guitar and neck reading the desire for long sustains......

[Wrix2]

BTW, I am talking about a dynamic increase in the "B" field by have the core be a superconductor with windings, wether typical Henry based insulated wire winding, a Bitter type internal(combats the Laurentz effect) or a nanomagnetic array that is then influenced by the normal windings, but controlled by a separate circuit, thus adding a completely new sound. If this were influenced/controlled by the "english" applied, it would add to tremelo/whammy bars and neck pressure for sustain to increase the effects made by the way a guitarist uses his hands.

[David Schwab]

Rare Earth Magnets are stronger than Alnico, which are stronger than Ferrous magnets...

I don't find alnicos to be stronger than ceramics. I just read 330G on an A5 humbucker magnet, and 475G on a same size C8 humbucker magnet.

Rare earth magnets are much stronger than the two.

[big_teee]

Yeah, and back then you couldn't GIVE a Les Paul away! Everyone wanted a Strat with humbuckers. I bought an '81 LP Standard for $150 off a guy!

Funny thing is that Slash didn't play a Gibson LP on that first album. He played a LP copy.

Most guitarist these days are pretty damn boring when it comes to gear.

I've read that before, that he played a copy!
I've not ever seen what the copy was, brand and all?
There are some very good Les Paul Copies now a days!
Later,
Terry

[David Schwab]

I've read that before, that he played a copy!
I've not ever seen what the copy was, brand and all?
There are some very good Les Paul Copies now a days!
Later,
Terry

From Wikipedia:

Guitars
Slash owns more than 100 guitars. The guitar he recorded Appetite For Destruction with was a hand made flame-top 1959 Les Paul replica with no pick guard and two Seymour Duncan pickups. His main live guitar is a 1988 Les Paul Standard with three piece top (Factory Second). It has a cracked neck in two places, but he has had it repaired and continues to use it. Most of Slash's electric guitars have Seymour Duncan Alnico II Pro low output pickups.

One of Slash's favorite guitars is the aforementioned hand-made Gibson Les Paul Copy. He received it during the recording sessions for Guns N' Roses debut album, "Appetite for Destruction". When he couldn't get the right sound he was looking for, the band's manager found a 1959 Les Paul Standard copy. He has used that guitar on every album he has recorded with Guns N' Roses and Velvet Revolver. The guitar was also the basis of the instrument his doppelgänger used in Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock.

The builder of that guitar was the late Chris (or Kris) Derrig. He passed away in 1986.

http://www.slashsworld.com/equipment...y-kris-derrig/

Here Slash says the same thing I did about Les Pauls back in the 80s:

“I didn’t fuckin’ reintroduce the Les Paul,” says Slash. “It’s been around. I just don’t think that anybody who was really popular and touring worldwide was using Les Pauls around the time Guns came out.”