Half of Jimmy Page wiring working. Need advice on the second half :P

[TTLWes]

Ok so Ive been tinkering around with a "50s" version of the Jimmy Page wiring scheme with dpdt switches instead of push pull pots on my ES-175. The bridge pickup side works fine. Coil split and phase switch works as it should.

When I switch to the neck pickup or flip the series switch, all I get is loud hum/buzz that does not go away when touching anything. It sounds more like putting your finger over the end of a guitar cable. I made sure the color codes were correct for the 57s, started with all new pots switches and caps, checked everything 3 times no wires or solder joints touching, wiring is correct to diagram, no noise from bridge pickup. Every video tutorial I have watched is with the guitar already wired and they don't even play it! How am I supposed to know if their layout works?

Now I'm starting to think maybe the wiring diagram is off and not me anymore and here's why: I originally had it wired up without soldering and it had the same problem! I'll post it and I would greatly appreciate any feedback from someone who has done this mod. Could this be due to a faulty switch or pot? Or maybe a bad solder joint on the back of one of the neck pots?

I've noticed when soldering with rosin core that the rosin will sometimes melt and appear to layer itself under the solder. Could something like this possibly be blocking connection? It doesn't seem like it but I thought I would ask.

Also I am familiar with mains and single coil hum, and it is definitely not one of those. Other over-zealous posters on different forums have suggested those two as possible problems without reading the whole post.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

This is the diagram I followed.

Jimmy Page 50s Wiring - MyLesPaul.com

[big_teee]

On your diagram I don't see how the bridge works.
The green and black are tied together, and that is the start leads of each bridge coil.
Here's another diagram that I found that is different, you might try it.
The 50s part of it should only be how the Tone cap is wired.
Get it all working then maybe play with the 50s portion of it.
Wiring Diagram
GL,
T

[TTLWes]

Well, it works all the same. Have you tried this mod before? Any thoughts on the section I'm actually having trouble with? Also those are color codes for SD pickups and I'm using Gibson 57s which are different. I mentioned that above. Also I'm familiar with the differences in 50s and modern wiring. It seems if the only difference is basically the cap placement, the fact that I did it 50s style instead of modern shouldn't be giving me this problem?

[big_teee]

OK, I am familiar with SD wiring, and that is the colors I use on my pickups also.
I just scanned your OP.
Sounds like you are well versed and know all about it.
If you want to check the series portion?
Check with an ohm meter from the tip of the guitar cord plugged in to ground, with both volume pots turned up full.
That should be close to the sum in ohms, of the two pickups.
And, no I have not done the full JP mod.
Done the split and phase reverse lots of times, but not combined with the series as well.
It all looks a bit to complicated for my guitar playing skills.
I usually just do the regular 60s wiring with good pickup, good Pots, and switch.
To me the Pickups are everything, but then again I make pickups.
GL,
T

[TTLWes]

Thanks, I'll give the series testing a try.

[TTLWes]

If it makes anyone else feel better about answering, I'm not trying to sound like Jimmy Page lol.

[Paleo Pete]

OK this is also posted at Ultimate Guitar Forums here

UG Community @ Ultimate-Guitar.Com - Half of Jimmy Page wiring working, need advice on the other half!

I noted the same thing, then corrected myself, he says that pickup is still working. Correctly.

I looked up a couple of other schematics for the Page mod, too confusing for me, but it looks like something is different. Here

http://www.diyguitarmods.com/wiringi.../JimmyPage.jpg

It shows the other wires of that pickup going to the bridge volume and tone pots. The drawing he's using shows the two wires going to the same switch, then from another contact to ground. The link above shows that 2nd contact going on to the same contact on the tone pot. From there it's too confusing for me, but something does look strange, and I wanted the guys on this forum to know it's been posted elsewhere too, might not be easy to keep track of.

TTLWes - That's usually considered a matter of common courtesy, keep things in one forum since these guys don't have a clue what's going on in another one. I had the same issue a lot as moderator of a computer tech support forum, fortunately it doesn't happen too often...but when we got up to 20,000 members, 500 posts a night it could be a problem...tell someone what to try and someone on another forum has already said that wouldn't work...(when we knew it would usually...)

[TTLWes]

I get what you're saying, and thanks for posting the link, but waiting around on ONE site for an answer trying to bump it before it just gets buried is not the best use of my time when there are hundreds of others to choose from. Is UG part of this site too? If not, then why go through the trouble to explain that when in the end it matters for diddley poop instead of addressing the original post? It's gonna be on page 20 in a few days anyways.

Not trying to be a dick here, just saying I've asked questions on UG before and the same thing always happens: no answer, no suggestions, nothing. Then it gets buried and I'm left in the same place. I don't ask questions on forums unless I just cannot get it figured out and I'm ready to give up, which I am now. Haven't played my guitar in a month and it's making me really depressed so I'm just trying to end this once and for all. Sorry, but I don't have a lot of room for Internet courtesy, between different websites at that, right now.

If there are rules posted somewhere that says I can only post the same topic on one forum, I'll gladly abide by it. Again not trying to be smug I just want my freaking guitar fixed so I can get back to normal, man.

[Paleo Pete]

No, UG is not part of this site, I happen to browse both almost daily and noticed the same thread name. I mostly pay attention to the guitar tech section since I'm not even close to an amp tech. These guys are.

I did address the original post. I found and posted what I think might be a difference in wiring schemes that could make a big difference. It does matter and I explained why. The guys here don't know what's already been tried somewhere else, so if you have them trying it again, you're wasting their time.

Waiting around for forums to answer is just part of it. It's not a chat room where everyone is sitting there waiting to answer you. Most of them have to work all day first. So you wait.

[TTLWes]

And here we are again...lots of talk and still no closer to the goal. Actually I'm further from it by having to type all day.

[TTLWes]

I'm aware of the way forums work. And this one so far has been nothing but bs.

[big_teee]

And here we are again...lots of talk and still no closer to the goal. Actually I'm further from it by having to type all day.

Maybe not.
Grab a hand full of diagrams and put the switch in series mode.
Go through the circuit with your DMM, and see if you can find where the circuit is open.
It just may be one strap missing or a wire in the wrong place.
That is what most of us here would do.
I would love to help you with it, but I can't reach it from here!
GL,
T

[big_teee]

I'm aware of the way forums work. And this one so far has been nothing but bs.

Sorry you feel that way.
Don't know about other forums, but this one is strictly a volunteer thing.
No-one can fix it for you, you will have to do that.
If you are in a hurry, take it to a tech, and spend your money!
Some pictures might help to see what you have.
We will all try to help, but you have to be patient.
T

[Leo_Gnardo]

I'm aware of the way forums work. And this one so far has been nothing but bs.

Some patience on your part would serve you well.

Nobody here is REQUIRED to give you help, much less instantly. Many of us earn a living fixing and building. We do our best to help people voluntarily, in our spare time. Meanwhile you are sniveling up a storm = bottom priority.

If you don't like the way we roll, yonder is the exit.

[tedmich]

only one of the dudes over at mylespaul.com (Jonesy) has made this work:

and he sells it for $150, pocket change for most LP snobs. He has 2 Youtube videos on the hookup alone! Everyone else gets terrible grounding issues and/or volume changing tone etc etc. What a rats nest, makes me happy all I have is a kill switch...