I want to retain my tele's traditional wiring of B/B+N/N. But i don't need my tone control and wondered if theres a way to blend the neck pickup into the bridge when in the bridge position OR when in the middle be able to dial the neck in and out as much as i want. All this WITHOUT affecting the bridge pickup, because i can't see how to do that w/o the blender pot affecting the bridge pickup's ground resistance. Maybe a dual pot, but these are the kind of thinks i just cannot wrap my head around. I just go blank and become homer simpson.
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how to blend in neck p/u on a tele?
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You can do two volumes.
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Or wire it like a J bass with blend, just leave out the tone, and add the swith between the pickups.
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I would start by trying this 2 volume layout.
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/tele-tech...blend-pot.htmlLast edited by big_teee; 01-29-2016, 07:54 PM."If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
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Originally posted by Richard View PostWhat switch are you using? I think this will work.[ATTACH=CONFIG]37586[/ATTACH]
Not exactly the best drawing but I think it gets the idea across.
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Originally posted by daz View PostI want to retain my tele's traditional wiring of B/B+N/N. But i don't need my tone control and wondered if theres a way to blend the neck pickup into the bridge when in the bridge position OR when in the middle be able to dial the neck in and out as much as i want. All this WITHOUT affecting the bridge pickup, because i can't see how to do that w/o the blender pot affecting the bridge pickup's ground resistance. Maybe a dual pot, but these are the kind of thinks i just cannot wrap my head around. I just go blank and become homer simpson.
The Two-Pickup Esquire Wiring
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Originally posted by ThermionicScott View PostFun historical fact: the first dual-pickup Fender guitars didn't have a tone knob, they just blended the two pickups together.
The Two-Pickup Esquire Wiring
EDIT: i'm not sure what to make of it because i don't know the theory behind some of whats going on. But like the diagram richard posted it seems like the blend pot is acting like a series resistor, but theres also a 15k in series with the neck's hot lead befor it goes to the blend. May as well just try a no load blen as i mentioned above and it's out of circuit when rolled all the way one way.Last edited by daz; 01-30-2016, 03:20 AM.
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I tried what is basically a simple version of the early wiring by doing as i said above. I used a no load so i could take it out of circuit at full rotation. 250k pot. It worked fine, tho it was a more subtle difference than i thought it would be. But still i found at a certain rotation i liked it. Got that bridge sort of tone but with a bit of that diffused twang the B/M has. In other words, pretty much a sound in between bridge alone and B/M but closer to the bridge.
Being that the point at which i liked it is the only place i'd use it, i'm going to put the circuit back the way it was (with tone pot used as variable treble bleed) and get a push pull to replace it using the pull to send the neck lead to the volume pot input via a resistor of whatever value i find when i measure the current pot's position where i liked the tone. So i'll have the stock setup with one additional tone when on the bridge p/u. I always felt that for certain things the bridge was too trebly but the bridge/middle too soft and twangy. I wanted just a bit of that B/M tone added to the bridge and this works.
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A no-load pot will not be of use with this type of blend.
It can be wired to only be active in the middle toggle switch position if you wire the pot from the middle switch lug to the neck PUP + lead lug. You can add a resister in series with the pot if the neck PUP seems overbearing when fully blended. You can also wire resistors over the open individual PUP position lugs to compensate the lack of the tone knob resistance in the circuit. FI, with a 250k volume pot, you'd generally wire a 200~250k resistor from each PUP lug to ground, or use a 100~150k over the bridge PUP for a sweeter bridge sound. Whether you'd need that lower value depends largely on the PUP inductance and your cable capacitance. More options are of course available with a Super Switch, like swapping the blend knob to a tone knob for each individual PUP position or whatever else you might dream up.
The advantage of the series pot blend is that it offers much more sensitive blending than if wired to another voltage divider (volume knob), which would quickly drop the blended PUP volume below the other PUP from 10~9 on the knob. The series pot blend works in reverse, blending the PUP in from 10-1 on the knob, and some interesting changes happen between 1~7.
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Get a 5-way Super switch and we can really have some fun! You could have the bridge, bridge and blended neck, bridge and neck in series (possibly blendable!), bridge and neck in parallel, and neck only. Maybe be able to blend a little bridge into the neck position. A couple of push pull pots and the possibilities are endless.
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Originally posted by Fluoroscope 5000 View PostA no-load pot will not be of use with this type of blend.
full clockwise: no different from stock wiring because i cut the the resistive track on that side. Bridge, bridge/neck, and neck, it all sounds exactly like stock.
full counter clockwise: bridge position sounds exactly like the switch is in the middle position
Anywhere in between gives variable results between the bridge alone and bridge/neck. So how is that of "no use"? It's doing exactly what i wanted.
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I don't see any advantage of a blend over two volumes with the pickup wired to the wiper.
I have my basses wired like that, & love it.
A volume for each pickup, and a 3 way switch.
You can play each pickup independently, fade, or blend them together.
Blending Tele P'ups: 2 volume setup better than blend pot? ... - Telecaster Guitar Forum
This looks perfect to me, and the tdpri group agrees.
Also if you want a bit of a tone cap wired on one pickup you could do that at the vol. Pot.
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Originally posted by big_teee View PostI don't see any advantage of a blend over two volumes with the pickup wired to the wiper.
I have my basses wired like that, & love it.
A volume for each pickup, and a 3 way switch.
You can play each pickup independently, fade, or blend them together.
Blending Tele P'ups: 2 volume setup better than blend pot? ... - Telecaster Guitar Forum
This looks perfect to me, and the tdpri group agrees.
Also if you want a bit of a tone cap wired on one pickup you could do that at the vol. Pot.
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Originally posted by daz View PostThats a 100% subjective thing. It would be no different to say i don't know why you don't like (name a food here). One of the things i hate about gibsons is the volume per/pickup. I like one master volume, and when i have gibson style guitars I actually mod them to have one volume and 3 inactive knobs ! I have my reasons that have to do with my playing style but thats unimportant. It's exactly what i wanted now.
I want you to do it however it makes you happy? :<)
The Double vol. just is so simple.
As Burger King used to say, "Have it your way"!
I'm Done, have Fun!
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AsparagusLast edited by big_teee; 01-31-2016, 12:15 AM."If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
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Originally posted by big_teee View PostSo did you get your blend all done and perfected, or still working on it?
I want you to do it however it makes you happy? :<)
The Double vol. just is so simple.
As Burger King used to say, "Have it your way"!
I'm Done, have Fun!
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