These aren’t real... but it makes you wonder...

[olddawg]

The pine Tele pictures are lifted off Fender promotional material. Exactly the same guitar can be seen here; https://www.pmtonline.co.uk/fender-f...caster-natural.

It looks like a scam and I wouldn't bother. I'd be interested to see what you actually get if anyone does order one.

What's odd is they are also selling Amps.. if you read the site comments people are taking a chance. Everything in the description seems to be taken from the Fender site.

[rjb]

Factories in China and Korea build guitars for Western brands. ....
The real controversy here is the fact that some of the most famous guitars get branded and labeled "Made in XX"

Maybe so, but I happen to know that Martin guitars are still made in Nazareth Pa. It doesn't seem to make much sense to ship a guitar from Nazareth to Baltimore by way of Dongyang City.

However, since some Fender products are built in Asia, one of those cheap Teles might be worth a shot.
But if it arrives at all, don't be surprised if it looks like this:



-rb

[rjb]

You could pick up your guitar in your new...SUPERCAR!

Remember these?

[olddawg]

Here's a Chibson that even says "Made in USA" and has serial numbers!

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F323297441396

[Steve A.]

That's why you use PayPal... but yeah.. I've had some decent luck using accurate knockoff parts lately. I'm not surprised they are being assembled and sold. As I've said before, I've seen unscrupulous local "builders" assembling from Chinese parts and charging for "boutique" instruments under their own name and saying they are made in USA. Wonder why Gibson is going under, lol!

They only take credit cards.

[Steve A.]

Well, I've been involved with PayPal disputes myself. Here's one experience.

I bought an 8" tom via eBay. I got a 10" tom. The seller measured/listed it wrong. I already had a 10" tom and didn't need or want it. After several attempts to contact the seller and get a refund, I started a PayPal dispute. The seller provided a shipping receipt. PayPal said that, since it was shipped, I had no recourse and there was nothing they could do in the way of a refund. I argued with PayPal. I told them that, by their rules,* the seller could have sent me a bar of soap and it would be just fine with them. They didn't care. Luckily, I made the payment with a Capitol One "no hassle" card. I just called them and reversed the charges after which PayPal temporarily banned me.

I know, long story, but there is a point. If you ordered one of these guitars and the seller could show a shipping receipt, you'd be on the hook to pay whether it was in a dumpster at customs or not. At least, that's my experience.

I had similar experiences in the past but since that time eBay has revised their money back guarantee policy. It used to be that they would try to collect from the seller and if they balked you were tough shit out of luck.

So far I have used their new policy 3 times and was reimbursed what I paid with the seller paying for return shipping. You must present your case to eBay which they review and make a decision. I guess it helps that I have 250+ positive feedback ratings...

I started a new claim this week for an item that USPS said was delivered in their tracking notice but was not delivered to my house. Normally I'd be up shit creek but eBay is working with the seller to get him to file a claim with USPS so that we both can be reimbursed. (Fingers crossed on this one!)

https://pages.ebay.com/ebay-money-back-guarantee/

Steve A.

P.S. I was reading about the site in Post #1 and they do not take PayPal, only credit cards which they say charge them a 10% processing fee. Bullshit... I really doubt that it is more than 3%.

[Steve A.]

Here's a Chibson that even says "Made in USA" and has serial numbers!

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F323297441396

That could be a stock photo and what they ship lacks a logo or serial number. I'd be reluctant to order a guitar with a set neck because if that wasn't done right you would have a boat anchor, or should I say paddle? With a bolt-on neck there are a lot of ways to make it right...

Steve A.

[Steve A.]

Scamadvisor.com gives the site a Trust Score of 4%. What could go wrong?
https://www.scamadviser.com/is-tvbdp...fake-site.html

-rb

Here is a screenshot...





Steve A.

[Jazz P Bass]

Same site: different address in China: http://xbvvg.com/

https://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/xbvvg.com

[nosaj]

Same site: different address in China: http://xbvvg.com/

https://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/xbvvg.com

Here's another
http://www.rmfkm.com/

nosaj

[rjb]

So, is anyone not yet convinced that this "vendor" is a scam artist?

[big_teee]

So, is anyone not yet convinced that this "vendor" is a scam artist?

Is there one like it, that is not a Scam?
Someone that orders the guitars, and sells them from the USA.
I guess if they did that, it would no longer be out of country?
T

[olddawg]

That could be a stock photo and what they ship lacks a logo or serial number. I'd be reluctant to order a guitar with a set neck because if that wasn't done right you would have a boat anchor, or should I say paddle? With a bolt-on neck there are a lot of ways to make it right...

Steve A.

I'm not sure what you would get. I do know I've gotten a couple of usable necks.. but I did the neck set. You can tell its Chinese made by looking at the neck joint on the back side. Not sure if I would order one assembled either. But... what the unscrupulous boutique builders in my neighborhood seem to be doing are buying a bunch similar to this for cheaper, picking the best ones to build out, and selling the rejects cheap on Craigs List.

[rjb]

I'm not sure what you would get...unscrupulous boutique builders....

OK, so you got some usable necks. And it definitely is possible to buy usable Asian guitars for cheap. For example, some folks swear by Rondo- which, according to their website, imports guitars from China, Taiwan, and Korea. So perhaps unscrupulous "builders" are buying Chinese guitars and passing them off as their own.

But I very, very much doubt that they are buying guitars from this website.

How can I say that?

Go to the bottom of the main page and click a few of the links listed under "Corporate Information" and "Customer Service". If you can read that crap without your bullshit alarm going off, your bullshit alarm is broken. Would you do business with someone who expects you to believe that nonsense?

Or peruse their product selection. They claim to carry guitars by every major manufacturer. And not just a few standard models- but all kinds of hotrod configurations and limited editions. The product descriptions are copied (stolen) directly from the actual manufacturers. They clearly cannot be selling the described products for the listed prices. One example already mentioned: How can they sell a pine Telecaster, with a $175 Lollar "Charlie Christian" neck pickup, for $180?

Also, they claim to be "importers" of guitars that are made only in North America. Martin makes its guitars in just two locations — company headquarters at 510 Sycamore St. in Upper Nazareth, PA, USA, and in Navojoa, Mexico. Martin has been battling Chinese counterfeiters for years. http://www.mcall.com/business/manufa...103-story.html

As you indicated in the thread title, no sensible person would expect these guitars to be "real". But given the obvious sleaziness of the operation, I suspect the guitars are entirely imaginary. As in, you'd be lucky if they sent you an empty box.

-rb

[olddawg]

OK, so you got some usable necks. And it definitely is possible to buy usable Asian guitars for cheap. For example, some folks swear by Rondo- which, according to their website, imports guitars from China, Taiwan, and Korea. So perhaps unscrupulous "builders" are buying Chinese guitars and passing them off as their own.

But I very, very much doubt that they are buying guitars from this website.

How can I say that?

Go to the bottom of the main page and click a few of the links listed under "Corporate Information" and "Customer Service". If you can read that crap without your bullshit alarm going off, your bullshit alarm is broken. Would you do business with someone who expects you to believe that nonsense?

Or peruse their product selection. They claim to carry guitars by every major manufacturer. And not just a few standard models- but all kinds of wacky configurations and limited editions. The product descriptions are copied (stolen) directly from the actual manufacturers. They clearly cannot be selling the described products for the listed prices. One example already mentioned: How can they sell a pine Telecaster, with a $175 Lollar "Charlie Christian" neck pickup, for $180?

Also, they claim to be "importers" of guitars that are made only in North America. Martin makes its guitars in just two locations — company headquarters at 510 Sycamore St. in Upper Nazareth, PA, USA, and in Navojoa, Mexico. Martin has been battling Chinese counterfeiters for years. http://www.mcall.com/business/manufa...103-story.html

As you indicated in the thread title, no sensible person would expect these guitars to be "real". But given the obvious sleaziness of the operation, I suspect the guitars are entirely imaginary. As in, you'd be lucky if they send you an empty box.

-rb

No doubt... I was already referencing a different offering on eBay. There’s tons of stuff out there. Some more “real” than others...

Here's a Chibson that even says "Made in USA" and has serial numbers!

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F323297441396