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  • Something to seal a neck I just sanded down?

    I just got this brand new Gibson faded cherry double-cut that GC couldn't sell. Someone had overtightened the screw holding down the P-90 at the neck, so the pickup would loose on the low-E side. No biggee- just pull out the P-90, remove the threaded insert from the spring and push it back into the body. (If it keeps coming out I would add a drop of epoxy to the knurls.)

    The truss rod was way too loose and the bridge was almost flush with the body, but after a week of adjusting the truss rod and bridge height I'm very pleased with the action. I got this guitar because it had a nice snap to it and it begged me to take it home. (Like I need still another Les Paul Junior-type guitar with two P-90's... )

    IMO these double-cuts are the closest thing that Gibson makes these days that are like their old Melody Makers (forget the MM guitar that they were selling new for $349- those guitars are total crap!)

    In any case, the faded cherry has (had) a very rough neck- something that makes no sense to me whatsoever. So I got a piece of 600 grit emery paper, cut it 3 pieces and folded it over in quarters. While watching TV tonight I kept sanding down the neck, rinsing out the waterproof sandpaper, and sanding it down some more. It is smooth like glass I got all of the finish off the back of the neck.

    I'd like to put something on it, just to seal it a bit and was wondering what you folks would suggest. I always liked lemon oil until I found out it that it came from an oil barrel and not a lemon tree! I'd mix it 50-50 with boiled linseed oil and use that to treat a fretboard I just cleaned.

    I think I want something like an oil finish, and would not cause any problems if I ever wanted it finished more professionally (like a nitro finish, or whatever Gibson uses on their nicer necks). So I think that would rule out something like a polyurethane finish from a hardware store.

    I like it just the way it is now- bare- but I know I do need protect the wood. (With my old 65 MM that I took down to the bare wood, I used what I called "nose oil" for the finish. You'd rub your finger on the side of your nose and that was like a very fine oil. It did take a whole summer of industrious nose rubbing to get that guitar refinished but it was worth it... )

    Thanks in advance for any suggestions here!

    Steve Ahola
    The Blue Guitar
    www.blueguitar.org
    Some recordings:
    https://soundcloud.com/sssteeve/sets...e-blue-guitar/
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  • #2
    Steve, i think a nice speedy finish to me is shelac aplied in french polish fashion, it's aplied with oil so it's oily for some time and nice, but wipe it with somedenatured alchool and you can stick pretty much any finish you want after that. Pretty simple too on a neck. If you need more help on the FP, PM me!

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    • #3
      The Carvin guys all use something called tung oil on thier bare necks. I had a guy apply it to my Warmoth neck and it's very nice, almost like bare wood, but a pretty durable finish.

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      • #4
        Tung oil.
        Jack Briggs

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        • #5
          ditto....tung oil is the thing.

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          • #6
            On bare necks Ive had real good luck with a few applications of Danish oil.

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            • #7
              Tru-oil gunstock finish is nice and durable, too. After you've applied enough very thin coats to suit yourself, just rub in a couple drops every couple months or so. Walmart carries it in small quantities for just a few bucks.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by hasserl View Post
                The Carvin guys all use something called tung oil on thier bare necks. I had a guy apply it to my Warmoth neck and it's very nice, almost like bare wood, but a pretty durable finish.
                It looks like tung oil is the winner- besides it kinda sounds like my old favorite, nose oil"...

                I do want to get the details of the French polish method from Satamax, not for this neck, but for other projects!

                Thanks to all!

                Steve Ahola

                P.S. I keep polishing that neck with 800 and 1500 grit sandpaper- it feels as smooth as glass! I also have a similar guitar that had a normal finish (not faded) and its neck is not as smooth as this one!

                I love the action and there is a real snap to the notes (which tells me that the neck, the body and the bridge are all communicating with each other).

                And I promise not to screw this one up like I did the other one, by routing out the pickup cavities so that they would accomodate the SD P-90 stacks. The bridge cavity is no problem but the neck cavity is too close to the neck and after routing it down maybe 1/2" the neck got real spongy... (speaking of which, is there any cure for that? Like something that you could soak into the tenon joint to make it stonger??? Didn't think so... )
                The Blue Guitar
                www.blueguitar.org
                Some recordings:
                https://soundcloud.com/sssteeve/sets...e-blue-guitar/
                .

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bulldogguitars View Post
                  On bare necks Ive had real good luck with a few applications of Danish oil.
                  id go danish oil. gives a bit harder protection than tung (from what ive heard) and feels very nice and smooth on the neck i finished with it. also you dont need as many coats.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Steve A. View Post
                    It looks like tung oil is the winner- besides it kinda sounds like my old favorite, nose oil"...

                    I do want to get the details of the French polish method from Satamax, not for this neck, but for other projects!

                    Thanks to all!

                    Steve Ahola

                    P.S. I keep polishing that neck with 800 and 1500 grit sandpaper- it feels as smooth as glass! I also have a similar guitar that had a normal finish (not faded) and its neck is not as smooth as this one!

                    I love the action and there is a real snap to the notes (which tells me that the neck, the body and the bridge are all communicating with each other).

                    And I promise not to screw this one up like I did the other one, by routing out the pickup cavities so that they would accomodate the SD P-90 stacks. The bridge cavity is no problem but the neck cavity is too close to the neck and after routing it down maybe 1/2" the neck got real spongy... (speaking of which, is there any cure for that? Like something that you could soak into the tenon joint to make it stonger??? Didn't think so... )
                    Hi Steve. Well, i think there's some solutions. first do a patch , chalking it exactly in place and of proper dimensions. That might strenghen the neck. The other solution would require removing the neck doing the patch at the mortice and either change the neck or try to make a strenghening patch at the tenon. Other solutions would include hardware in that joint, but without pics i can't tell much.

                    Bye.

                    Max.

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                    • #11
                      Does anyone have a good mix for oil finishing? ie, gunstock finish, linseed mix etc.
                      I've used off the shelf oil finishes before, like danish oil and tung oil, and had good results. The problem is that I now live in Hong Kong, and I just can't get this sort of product here.
                      There are issues with importing solvents and oil based products in small quantities, so that's out. I have to play a half hour game of charades and draw pictures for the guys at the little hardware shops here just to get things like drill bits (maybe I should just learn to speak Chinese).
                      Any ideas would be appreciated.

                      Thanks.
                      BHL Guitar Technologies - hand made guitar plectrums and more.
                      https://www.facebook.com/BHL.Guitar.Technologies

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                      • #12
                        You should not be having such trouble locating tung oil. It originates from China.

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                        • #13
                          There's no real call for this sort of thing in Hong Kong, although you're well supplied for industrial or household finishing supplies. In a town full of bankers and brokers, there's not a lot of craftsmen and hobbyists who do any kind of timberwork. No demand - no supply.
                          I even have to order sandpaper by mail in order to have more than two grades to work with.
                          BHL Guitar Technologies - hand made guitar plectrums and more.
                          https://www.facebook.com/BHL.Guitar.Technologies

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                          • #14
                            I have used shellac with good results and think that it would be fine to seal it up...

                            ...but no one has mentioned wax yet. I love the feel of a stripped and waxed neck. I use a product called Briwax. This can be used in combo with tung oil first and then a light wax job... It is simple to apply and it can be removed with mineral spirits at any time for a reapplication or removal to try something else. I have made a few bolt on necks that only had a wax finish and they played and sounded great.

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                            • #15
                              Tung Oil or shellac to seal the neck, followed by a smoothing with 4/0 steel wool and a buffing with paste wax e.g. Briwax or Butchers Bowling Alley Wax, will yield a nice, smooth and highly-playable finish.
                              John R. Frondelli
                              dBm Pro Audio Services, New York, NY

                              "Mediocre is the new 'Good' "

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