How fast can a humbucker bobbin be wound?

[Viktor Johanson]

With good results, that is I just got a "per hour" price quote from a generic coil winding company, and want to know approximately how many coils can be wound per hour in order to do further calculations.

The machine in question is non-CNC operated, but it does have automatic traverse feed. It is supposed to be able to handle 42 AWG wire without problems.

Thanks in advance.

[Spence]

I think Wolfe M says he can wind at 10,000 rpm but keeps it down to 2-3,000.

[salvarsan]

With good results, that is I just got a "per hour" price quote from a generic coil winding company, and want to know approximately how many coils can be wound per hour in order to do further calculations.

Estimate from 5000 turns at 600, 900, and 1200 rpm with
a 1 minute idle period for bobbin unmount+remount.

This gives estimates of 9, 6, 5min per bobbin or 6, 10, and 12 bobbins per hour.

-drh

[Viktor Johanson]

Thanks!

Wow, that's fast. Five minutes for a humbucker Would that require a specialized tensioner system for oblong bobbins? According to the winder I talked to (I showed her a HB bobbin), the oblong shape of the bobbin would require the winding speed to be very low or the wire would break.

[Alabam]

I think Wolfe M says he can wind at 10,000 rpm but keeps it down to 2-3,000.

I was thinking that the wire stretches the higher the wind RPM, maybe at 10,000 RPM you wouldn`t need a tensioner.
I tried out a "Sidewinder" in an experimental winding trial and the 44AWG i used looked like rope on the bobbin compared to my own fast winder, a homemade schatten clone.

[SteikBacon]

I use 15 min each bobbin on my homemade handguiding/tension system. And probably 3-4 min from beginning to actually starting winding. Guess I´m slow.

[Viktor Johanson]

Thank you!

[kevinT]

Mine can do up to 10,000 rpm too. I used to wind at 1100-1200 rpm but while doing some experiementing, I knocked it down to the 700s and I am getting better results.

My winding process is slow compared to others with travers- guided winders to combine the benefits of both machine guiding and hand guiding the wire...also taking into consideration the operations of the Leesona (There are a couple other things that I do, but I can't tell all secrets)

You also may want to do a search because there has been a thread or two about this topic from what I can remember. I'm sure it can provide additional info.

[Spence]

Mine can do up to 10,000 rpm too. There are a couple other things that I do, but I can't tell all secrets

Go on, you've got one of those Luthier's Butt plugs haven't you......

[kevinT]

Go on, you've got one of those Luthier's Butt plugs haven't you......

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Behave yourself spence or I will sic my wife on you.

[Spence]

Man, she's a babe!

[salvarsan]

Go on, you've got one of those Luthier's Butt plugs haven't you...

I really hate it when you guys shove subjectivist arguments
into the craft and science of pickup making.


The thrust of my argument is that these things are quantifiable.
Get a grip.


What effect are the Luthier's Butt Plugs(tm) supposed to have?

When, during the pickup manufacture process, are these Luthier's Butt Plugs(tm) used?

Does the butt plug material (PVC, silicone elastomer, brass, wood) make a difference?

Did the use of butt plugs change in the history of Fender through the pre-CBS, CBS, and FMI eras? (FYI, the pre-CBS butt plugs were better.)

How did butt plugs change throughout Gibson's Kalamazoo, Norlin, post-Norlin, and Nashville eras?

Were luthier's butt plugs obviated when that pre-eminent butt plug Henry Juskiewitz took over Gibson?


See?
It's not as simple as you thot.

-drh

[David King]

Your sick wife looks a lot like Michael Jackson, no?

[belwar]

I think in general the average speed in under 2500 RPM. If you were doing a circular coil and it had a large width you could go faster but because of its oblong size and short traverse you need to stay under that. Many of the larger makers use a Tanac AX-3, which is a very pro winder and i've watched it run and I dont think its runs more than 2500.

[Possum]

....

The commercial wire tensioners don't work for making pickups unless you disable the spring guage on them, otherwise the wire makes the gauge bob around like crazy and then it breaks the wire when doing so. A commercial coil winding company may not know this. Most of us use simple felt tensioners, a thumb screw with felt padded grippers, tension is judged by experience. I do know one commercial pickup maker who uses common wire tensioners but bypasses the spring gauge, most other use felt clamps....