Who's got cream screw-side Allpart bobbins?

[WolfeMacleod]

Need some, ASAP. Looking for the newer, lighter cream. not the pinkish crap.
Anyone? Need several. 20 or more. Willing to pay through my nose. Or butt. Or both.

[Mystic]

I make mine from slug bobbins. I fill the hole with plastic tube and then re-drill.

[WolfeMacleod]

I make mine from slug bobbins. I fill the hole with plastic tube and then re-drill.

Ehm...can't do that.

[Mystic]

Ehm...can't do that.

Why not? It works for me, you just have to use the right kind of glue. I agree that it's not the "best" way but it does work.

[Possum]

:-)

Wolfe makes OEM pickups for guitar makers, would YOU want to find filled holes on your brand new guitar :-)

[Spence]

Wolfe makes OEM pickups for guitar makers, would YOU want to find filled holes on your brand new guitar :-)

Well I have had to resort to filling the holes with plastic tubing on a few occasions which worked fine and was only visible by removing the screw poles. In my humble opinion so long as the plastic tubing used looks the same color there's no problem. Where I do have a problem though is in the extra time it takes pissing around doing that kind of thing.

The big issue is the serious problem of parts shortages that are happening at this time.

[Possum]

shortages...

I don't think there's parts shortages, there's plenty of parts in Korea and China, the problem is the middlemen who sell to us. They could give a rat's ass about keeping supplies stocked all the time. It is kind of odd that Stew Mac, Guitar Jones and AllParts are all out of similar parts at the same time. Allparts is suddenly selling different parts under the same part number and name, did they change suppliers? Something going on there we're not hearing about.

The business solution is to cut them out of the picture, find Korean suppliers and team up with other makers who are near you or who need the same kinds of parts and buy in groups. Get parts made that you can afford to have made to your own quality standards. I'm starting to do that, and yeah you gotta buy a shit load of one part but they will last you a long time and will probably better than Asian parts and you sell to other makers if you have too much. Most of this stuff can be made here in America or over there in the UK for about the same price as smaller quantites you pay for at AllParts etc. It really only makes sense to go to asia for huge quantities or stuff thats too expensive to have made on one's own. If any of you guys looked at the injection plastic link I listed, you can buy an injection molding machine for about $2,000 or less depending on how much plastic you want to melt at one time. This stuff can be done on one's own, it just takes time and money but you can build up equipment little by little. Probably for $3,000 you could have a small injection machine and a mold made for PAF spec bobbins and crank them out all day and make them any color you want.

I also know Dr. X is still working towards having this stuff made here for reasonable prices. Sometime next year I figure he'll have PAF spec bobbins available, pickup covers and all the rest. Fine by me, these middleman guys only want huge orders and don't like small businesses, maybe they ought to stop and think about that. How do small businesses grow into bigger businesses if they are locked out of getting decent parts in affordable amounts? By ignoring the small guys they ignore future potential customers that will buy alot larger lots of stuff as they grow. But unfortunately people don't think like that in the good ol' USA.....

[Spence]

here's a company I came across this evening. I was unaware of them before but found the kind of thing that Wolfe's looking for.

http://www.guitarpartsusa.com/cat--G...pplies--MAIN22

I have ordered the book on injection moulding and will be building a machine. I may even tackle the PAF bobbins first. Sometimes you just have to do these things yourself and I'm mighty grateful that Possum shared that info with the rest of us.

[David Schwab]

The business solution is to cut them out of the picture, find Korean suppliers and team up with other makers who are near you or who need the same kinds of parts and buy in groups. Get parts made that you can afford to have made to your own quality standards....

Exactly!

I know that Guitar Jones sells WSC parts, because I bought some, and Allparts also sells WSC parts.

So they both sell those parts... doesn't seem like they have a exclusive deal worked out. So what's the difference between someone like GuitarJones and us? Nothing really. You just need to register a business name and get some cash together to order parts. My experience has been that some manufacturers wanted to see a tax ID number, while other's didn't.

As far as custom made parts... I got a quote on injection molded soapbar bass pickup covers that was basically about $2,500-3,000 tooling, and then the covers would be about 60 cents a piece, less with higher quantities.

This was for a cover with an embossed logo. Bobbins might be cheaper... but you get the idea.

If I had the money for the tooling I'd go that route in a minute!

[OFM]

Why don't you use a Slug bobbin, but instead of filling and re-drilling, change to a "Set screw" bobbin?



They're not difficult to find in specialized stores and should look very "Professional"... (I still prefer the traditional PAF screws, anyway).

[WolfeMacleod]

Why don't you use a Slug bobbin, but instead of filling and re-drilling, change to a "Set screw" bobbin?



They're not difficult to find in specialized stores and should look very "Professional"... (I still prefer the traditional PAF screws, anyway).

I'm very demanding. I will not compromise. Changing to a set screw bobbin will require me to have to change the design to hold the same kind of tone and response I get. They just won't work the same...and many cheap Korean pickups are like that, too, to save money on having more than one bobbin...
I discontinued my best selling pickup for about two months because of a slight OD difference in the plain enamel wire that woulnd't let me wind the coils properly. I could have changed the coil slightly and maintain the same readings and "faked" that model of pickup for the 30 or 40 people I turned down in that time, but I refuse to compromise myself like that.

[OFM]

I'm very demanding. I will not compromise. Changing to a set screw bobbin will require me to have to change the design to hold the same kind of tone and response I get. They just won't work the same...and many cheap Korean pickups are like that, too, to save money on having more than one bobbin...
I discontinued my best selling pickup for about two months because of a slight OD difference in the plain enamel wire that woulnd't let me wind the coils properly. I could have changed the coil slightly and maintain the same readings and "faked" that model of pickup for the 30 or 40 people I turned down in that time, but I refuse to compromise myself like that.

Sure, you''re right...

Looks you're a great professional...

I'm repairing 2 Dimarzio Super Distortions right now and these pickups use the "Set Screw" scheme with an strange steel separator for the ceramic magnet (They also don't have plastic (or wooden) shims for the sides). They are definitely weird pickups.

I think that the PAF-style metal spacer should do a difference in the magnetic response and tone compared to the slug side (which should be equivalent to use a set screw).

I think i'll make some experiments, i'm still a begginer on the "Pickup Science".

Greetings!!
Ben

[ruyzalim]

hello!

were can i find WSC contacts?

thank you very much!

[David Schwab]

hello!

were can i find WSC contacts?

thank you very much!

You can try these to start with:

http://www.wscmusic.com/

http://tuneguitars.com/wscmusic/

WOOSUNG CHORUS INDUSTRIAL CO.
857-37, Chakchon-dong, Kyeyang-gu, Inchon
South Korea
Tel: 032 5437940
Fax: 032 5437941

[ruyzalim]

You can try these to start with:

http://www.wscmusic.com/

http://tuneguitars.com/wscmusic/

WOOSUNG CHORUS INDUSTRIAL CO.
857-37, Chakchon-dong, Kyeyang-gu, Inchon
South Korea
Tel: 032 5437940
Fax: 032 5437941

Thank you David