Amazing eBay Find!

[belwar]

Way off topic, but we have a "Crazy stuff from Ebay" thread at forum of the SETI team I crunch for.. I love this guys feedback.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...rid=tryork5ifp

my favorite one is "the train set you sold me came with a REAL Locomotive—S&H ALONE was $145,900.00!"

[David Schwab]

I used to do the SETI @ Home thing.

My personal opinion now is that SETI will never find anything because it's the wrong method and they are looking in the wrong place.

A sad part about the Universe is that what we can see is a very small part, and as it expands the light takes so long to get here, as it's moving away from us, that it will never reach us, ever.

Also a thousand years from now we will see very little stars in the sky, except for the Andromeda Galaxy, which is going to collide with us. That would be something to see!

[David Schwab]

Way off topic, but we have a "Crazy stuff from Ebay" thread at forum of the SETI team I crunch for.. I love this guys feedback.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...rid=tryork5ifp

my favorite one is "the train set you sold me came with a REAL Locomotive—S&H ALONE was $145,900.00!"

Damn that's funny!

[roundmidnight]

belwar,

Thanks for sharing that. I would cherish receiving such imaginative feedback for any item I sold on eBay.

RM

[belwar]

I used to do the SETI @ Home thing.

My personal opinion now is that SETI will never find anything because it's the wrong method and they are looking in the wrong place.

A sad part about the Universe is that what we can see is a very small part, and as it expands the light takes so long to get here, as it's moving away from us, that it will never reach us, ever.

Also a thousand years from now we will see very little stars in the sky, except for the Andromeda Galaxy, which is going to collide with us. That would be something to see!

I have alot of computer power behind my seti farm.. A while ago I was rated 86th in the world (which when you consider how many participants there are that is prtty good). My peak RAC was 42,000 a day. I havent been maintaining the farm so my RAC is down to 18000. The group im a part of is overclockers.com which is the 9th ranked team in the world (PS I know im a nerd).

Seti recently changed how they looked at the sky, and the work that the @ home program was doing. You might want to check out Astropulse.

b.

[Possum]

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SETI is a joke. I think its only recently that they started looking for laser communications. Its really like we got some tin cans and string and are listening to hear anyone else out in the universe broadcasting through tin cans and string. The reality is that we are constantly being visited and have for all of recorded history. Whatever method of communication is being used by those "out there" its way beyond anything we're doing. They probably communicate by thoughts and we're not anywhere near being able to do that :-) We have no method that allows instant communication over lights years away, obviously if others are visiting they do have something like that, and the fact that there is so MUCH visitation going on means that they are able to get here and back many light years from here alot faster than lightspeed. Obviously some kind of dimensional transportation, maybe their communications use the same methods. It amazes me that SETI is looking way out there, when there is so much action going on right here they refuse to acknowledge despite the fact that we're in a huge flap right now :-)

[belwar]

You have to remember that the seti program, and the original SERENDIP are not really searching for civilizations that can be communicated with. Thats is not the goal. The goal is just to FIND a civilization, and prove that we are not alone. The belief is that intelligent civilizations that reach the aquisition of technology will ultimately discover the use of waveforms... These waveforms are constantly blasted out in space in all directions. Some waveforms, are more useful than others and are generally the band that radio astronomers search it.

I dont think it's a useless, or fringe science at all. The science behind it is good, but admittedly there are a lot better uses of science funding dollars. SETI used to having Nasa funding which was cut, and now all of thier funds are privately raised (Most noteably Paul Allen of Microsoft who funded the 300 telescope Allen Array in California).

[David Schwab]

Obviously some kind of dimensional transportation, maybe their communications use the same methods. It amazes me that SETI is looking way out there, when there is so much action going on right here they refuse to acknowledge despite the fact that we're in a huge flap right now :-)

That's the thing right there. There are scientist who are aware of what's going on, but then you have the whole "professional skeptics" people, and they are mentally ill if you ask me.

There is overwhelming evidence that Extraterrestrial Biological Entities have been part of our existence as far back as human history. We can't just assume that every story handed down over the millennia are mythology.

So much activity would indicate that a non linear mode of transportation is being used... if they are even traveling from somewhere else. It's just too time consuming and uses too much resources.

So something else is going on. And there is a big flap going on. These things are more than likely a device to make their presence known to as many people as possible while bypassing the governments of the world.

So while it's exciting to look for radio signals from space, or even looking for stars with planets, and we are finding a lot of those lately, it would be far more useful for these scientist to stop treating the UFO phenomenon as a product of crackpots and put some serious funding into it. But they wont because they wont get funded.

But there are some that have spent their careers studying these things.

Point is that you don't need huge arrays of radio telescopes to find if non human intelligent life exists. It's been interacting with us for thousands of years.

[Joe Gwinn]

I'd bet that Earth is most easily found by picking up on leakage from millions of microwave ovens and industrial heaters, all operating in the ISM (Industrial Scientific Medical) band, all of which are high enough a frequency to get through the ionosphere, have real power, and are clearly artificial.

Most of the power is at 2450 MHz, and will be broadband given the tuning inaccuracy of such devices. The giveaway will be the modulation at 50 Hz and 60 Hz, with the balance between 50 and 60 Hz varying on a 24-hour cycle. Natural sources do no such thing.

If I understand, SETI assumes very stable narrowband signals intended for communications, so it may miss such things.

[David Schwab]

If I understand, SETI assumes very stable narrowband signals intended for communications, so it may miss such things.

I agree. We also assume they would use radio band communications, and than we would recognize and understand it.

[mkat]

Ah.. And see if people didn't think the old pickups were so valuable they couldn't make money off them! An old Strat shouldn't be worth like $16,000.

It's getting worse. Some new fender custom shop basses are over 5K down here in Australia - WT? '64 jb relic AUD$5,250, Pino Palidino pbass AUD$5,990. That's as much a scam as you'll find anywhere.

[Joe Gwinn]

I agree. We also assume they would use radio band communications, and than we would recognize and understand it.

I'm not sure what alien civilizations would consider to be "radio band". As our civilization has progressed, radio signals have become lower power, higher frequency, and more complex, all of which militate against detection at interstellar distances, never mind understanding.

Actually, even recognition would be revolutionary, even if we could understand nothing.

My plan is to send Possum through an interdimensional door to the other side. Perhaps he will return with the answer.

[Possum]

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Joe: I got my kit ready to go, send ticket please :-)
Well there IS fairly solid evidence that ET's do communicate through thought. Phillip Corso, if you know about that guy, his background is flawless, not a nut case but a high ranking officer in charge or Foreign Technology dept. something or other in the Army, who was given Roswell technology to dispense to US corporations to back engineer and disperse into the culture. Micro chip technology, lasers, velcro, optical fiber were among the materials recovered they back engineered and we benefitted from. No one has ever been able to debunk his story and all his credentials are of the highest order and documented, he was an advisor to President Truman I believe, or was it Eisenhower, don't remember but his book is widely available. He is deceased now and wrote the book so his kids would know what he did back then. Anyway, one of the items recovered was a headband device they figured was used to control flight, they never did figure it out. He said it was meant to work with a brain other than human.

I think there is ample evidence on our own planet as well as the moon and mars of higher technologies and archaeological remains of buildings etc. We can't even duplicate the megalithic structures that litter our own planet. I watched a show on Tihuanaco, (sorry I can't spell...) showing gigantic interlocking blocks of stone cut like they were machined, all perfectly identical, with complicated ways of interlocking, truly amazing. I knew about the site for years but never saw that field of giant stones that look like they are new, they are highly complex pieces of work we probably couldn't do today, and they are HUGE.

There are hundreds of anomalies on mars and the moon that may be misinterpretations but some are obviously not natural objects, many are rectangular patterns that look like building foundations or ancient city remains that look identical to satellite photos of earth archaeological sites. Now because this stuff isn't on THIS planet, then who made them? This site in a quick google has some cool photos I've not seen before:
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/
some could be explained away I suppose, some of these guys are a little too rorshack inkblot minded for me but then you see things that are obviously not natural. There is plenty of stuff on the moon as well if you dig around you'll find good photos of that too. If one is of the mind that human beings are the only beings in the universe and that no other intelligent life exists in the almost infinite variety of planets and star systems out there, well these kind of people are going to have a rather hard time of it when some kind of contact actually is done out in the open. Anyway, to me SETI is a huge waste of money, if they ever actually DID find an intelligent signal out there I don't think we'd hear about it, the military would be in there real fast and these scientists who think otherwise are dreamers who have no idea of the black world that exists in this and other countries. I find all this stuff fascinating and even more fascinating how human belief systems and dogma and religious beliefs are so narrow minded that its not really allowed for the individual to think outside their boxes :-) One is considered a nut case if they say no the world is NOT flat and the Earth isn't the center of the universe :-) I do believe alot of these vehicles sighted are military craft, even back engineered vehicles, but there are just too many sightings all over the world in every single country, it would mean that we or some other country has a massive armada fleet of gravity defying ships, now that to me is far fetched.....

[Possum]

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I want to add one more comment then I promise I'll shut up
My Dad is retired Army Signal Corps. intelligence, 40 years, I grew up on Army and Airbases, Army brat :-) When my Dad retired and was a school teacher in Miami, teaching anthropology, he knew another retired Army guy there who taught also. Real square guy, no sense of humor, lifer type. Kinda sounds like my Dad too :-) Anyway, my Dad got to know the guy, trading old Army and War stories. Turns out this guy was on the recovery crew at the Roswell incident, I kid you not. Folks, those were NOT crash test dummies they recovered, and it was no balloon crash. So why is SETI looking spending millions of dollars looking for intelligent life out in space, when these little grey short fuckers are HERE and apparently not great drivers, crashing into the ground etc. Answer me that?

[soundmasterg]

I'm not sure what alien civilizations would consider to be "radio band". As our civilization has progressed, radio signals have become lower power, higher frequency, and more complex, all of which militate against detection at interstellar distances, never mind understanding.

Actually, even recognition would be revolutionary, even if we could understand nothing.

My plan is to send Possum through an interdimensional door to the other side. Perhaps he will return with the answer.

He'll return with ALL of the vintage PAF's so we can all equip our own guitars with them.

Greg

P.S. He'll come back with short hair too.....