group pole screw buy, need one more particpant...

[Possum]

I won't give details here but PM me on the forum or go to my website and get my email address from there. Basically 10,000 Gibson type vintage alloy pole screws from a top notch screw maker, $600 shipped within USA. Possibly would consider shipping overseas but it would be extra. Contact me if you want more info....
I need 3 confirmations I have one for sure, one possible and just need one more to get the deal going.

[RedHouse]

I won't give details here but PM me on the forum or go to my website and get my email address from there. Basically 10,000 Gibson type vintage alloy pole screws from a top notch screw maker, $600 shipped within USA. Possibly would consider shipping overseas but it would be extra. Contact me if you want more info....
I need 3 confirmations I have one for sure, one possible and just need one more to get the deal going.

Dave, I'm interested ...but... PM'ing isn't the way a group-buy should be handled on a forum IMHO, the details should be posted publicly in a thread so it's all on the up-n-up ya know?

I bet if you posted your group-buy proposal, with all details (cost per screw, total group purchase, source name, time frame, payment details, shipping to-and-fro etc) you'll get many more positive responses.
(including me)

You can check out the GaussMeter Group Buy thread for one example of how it's normally done in a public forum.

Personally until I can see some prices, I can't commit.
(no PM sent )

[David Schwab]

You know, if you broke the group buy up into smaller parts, you'd probably get more responses. Instead of paying $600 for 10,000 screws, you can get more people if they paid $100 for 1,666 screws! That's 278 pickups. If you made 4.5 pickups a day, for a year, you would use 10,000 screws (1,666 pickups).

[kevinT]

You know, if you broke the group buy up into smaller parts, you'd probably get more responses. Instead of paying $600 for 10,000 screws, you can get more people if they paid $100 for 1,666 screws! That's 278 pickups. If you made 4.5 pickups a day, for a year, you would use 10,000 screws (1,666 pickups).

+1....For me currently, this would be the better route Dave. If you wanted to breakout the last 1/4 of the buy to 3 or 4 folks, I could participate. Around $200?

[PoorMan]

You know, if you broke the group buy up into smaller parts, you'd probably get more responses. Instead of paying $600 for 10,000 screws, you can get more people if they paid $100 for 1,666 screws! That's 278 pickups. If you made 4.5 pickups a day, for a year, you would use 10,000 screws (1,666 pickups).

I'd get in on that deal.

[JGundry]

The problem is the price break is at around 40,000 pieces before it becomes economical.

I actually have an order for 40,000 of these being made this week with a smaller PAF sized head with one of the old alloys. There is more than one alloy that was used.

[kevinT]

The problem is the price break is at around 40,000 pieces before it becomes economical.

I actually have an order for 40,000 of these being made this week with a smaller PAF sized head with one of the old alloys. There is more than one alloy that was used.

+1 It's about that amount to get them down to $.03 to $.07 per screw.

I'm in the process of researching a bulk order of pickup mounting springs (probably have to get them made)....the vintage-style ones that Stew-mac and Seymour have. $.40 per spring is ridiculous...GJ's were a little cheaper at around $.10 but they weren't vintage.

Otherwise I'd go for the larger quantity of screws this time around.

[RedHouse]

The problem is the price break is at around 40,000 pieces before it becomes economical.

I actually have an order for 40,000 of these being made this week with a smaller PAF sized head with one of the old alloys. There is more than one alloy that was used.

So JG, would you be willing to do some group-buy activity?

[Possum]

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I already posted the price $600 gets you 10,000 screws, you can't beat that anywhere. I don't want to do smaller sales I don't have time to part this stuff out and do alot of shipping and counting screws for hours etc. I don't want to publicly say what alloy these are, they are one of the PAF alloys, I've found 3 so far, I already have plenty of one and going for a different flavor. Maybe some of the participants will be willing to sell off small lots, I plan on keeping all of mine so I will have several years stocked, since I am a full time pickup maker this stuff is like gold for me....
If I can't find a third buyer I'd be willing to offer 5,000 screws but probably a steeper price.

[JGundry]

So JG, would you be willing to do some group-buy activity?

No. I put up the dollars for the last 2 screw buys and Possum went in for a share of those. Weighing and boxing screws is not as much fun as you would think. Hah! Right now I'm really just tweaking the dimensions. I have a bunch of screws already but I'm with Possum that it is so hard to find a good source for screws that if you run a batch that you like it is real hard to let them go.

[RedHouse]

No. I put up the dollars for the last 2 screw buys and Possum went in for a share of those. Weighing and boxing screws is not as much fun as you would think. Hah! Right now I'm really just tweaking the dimensions. I have a bunch of screws already but I'm with Possum that it is so hard to find a good source for screws that if you run a batch that you like it is real hard to let them go.

Ahh yes, the PAF club. Ok thanks anyway.

I already posted the price $600 gets you 10,000 screws, you can't beat that anywhere. I don't want to do smaller sales I don't have time to part this stuff out and do alot of shipping and counting screws for hours etc. I don't want to publicly say what alloy these are, they are one of the PAF alloys, I've found 3 so far, I already have plenty of one and going for a different flavor. Maybe some of the participants will be willing to sell off small lots, I plan on keeping all of mine so I will have several years stocked, since I am a full time pickup maker this stuff is like gold for me....
If I can't find a third buyer I'd be willing to offer 5,000 screws but probably a steeper price.

So dude, what's up with the "I've found 3 so far" and then hardly three sentences later it's "If I can't find a third buyer " all in the same paragraph? if you don't try too hard you could see why folks just might need you to be open and public about a "group-buy" when you are asking people to trust you with $600-$700 bucks?

Maybe it's just me.

[David Schwab]

So dude, what's up with the "I've found 3 so far"

These are one of three different alloys used in PAF screws that he has found so far.

If I made PAFs I'd go in on these. Even if I made non PAF humbuckers.

The sample screws of one of the other alloys I got sound very nice.

[Possum]

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I have enough participants now, waiting on one comittment and have a back up if he bails. End of thread....thanks.

[JGundry]

Ahh yes, the PAF club. Ok thanks anyway.



So dude, what's up with the "I've found 3 so far" and then hardly three sentences later it's "If I can't find a third buyer " all in the same paragraph? if you don't try too hard you could see why folks just might need you to be open and public about a "group-buy" when you are asking people to trust you with $600-$700 bucks?

The club only requires buying 10,000 screws. Cheaper than a country club and sounds better too.

Not sure how would Possum benefit from publicly ripping off several people to the tune of $600 plus dollars? He is apparently willing to share the results of destroyed vintage parts and the cost to get them tested. Seems like a good deal if you need screws. I tracked down the place that he is buying from and they do make nice screws. Considering the cost of trashing vintage pickups I only want to share info with people that have a little skin in the game also. Maybe it's just me.

[RedHouse]

These are one of three different alloys used in PAF screws that he has found so far.

If I made PAFs I'd go in on these. Even if I made non PAF humbuckers.

The sample screws of one of the other alloys I got sound very nice.

Ah, I see now. I wasn't getting that message out of the post, sounded different to me.
(suspitious)