Any interest for P51 (T51), P57 or J60 bass pickup schematics?

[Stealth]

From what I've been able to gather from the 10 or so pages' worth of threads there's plenty of talk about both bass and guitar pickups - the former makes me, as a bassist, very happy as the place is a treasure mine.

However, one of the things I see that are somewhat lacking are the schematics for the three most common pickup form factors that we've all grown to love - or at least tolerate because they're so common:

• the '51 Precision, or '51 Tele-bass (as I usually denote it, T51)
• the '57 Precision (written above as P57)
• the '60s Jazz pickup (again, as above, J60)

Now, I'm not here to ask for help yet - instead, if there's enough interest (and I haven't seen the schematics stickied anywhere) I'm willing to post PDFs containing multiviews (top, side, front) of the above three pickups with all the neccessary dimensions. The models depicted would be are all standard (that is, Tele pickups have one pole underneath the strings, P/Js have two poles surrounding the string).

Thoughts?

[David King]

Stealth,
A "schematic" usually denotes a wiring diagram, not a dimensioned technical drawing.

Are you taking these measurements yourself off of actual era pickups you own? If so that would be useful to some I'm sure.

Documenting your process for the measurements will lend credibility to the whole effort.

We tend to have a healthy disregard for measurements taken from modern "exact replicas" sold by various manufacturers.

Original Fender documents of the era would be interesting from a historical perspective but might not actually represent what was coming out of the factory at the time.

[David Schwab]

We tend to have a healthy disregard for measurements taken from modern "exact replicas" sold by various manufacturers.

Yeah, do they not have a real sample to model off of, or they just don't care? I think the latter is the case with some of Fender's repro pickups, like the Jazzmasters.

There's a story that Gibson wanted to reproduce a vintage Les Paul, but didn't have a real guitar to work from, so they went off of a photograph! My friend has one of them, and the lines are not right at all.

[LtKojak]

There's a story that Gibson wanted to reproduce a vintage Les Paul, but didn't have a real guitar to work from, so they went off of a photograph! My friend has one of them, and the lines are not right at all.

I find this a bit hard to believe...

[David Schwab]

I find this a bit hard to believe...

This was when they were going from the Norlin pancake bodies with the crappy neck tenon, and wanted to get them more like the vintage guitars.

But all the old forms and stuff were long gone.

I also find it hard to believe that they couldn't borrow a guitar from somewhere, but my buddy is quite the LP expert, and has about 15 of them, mostly from the 80's and 90's. The model in question is quite obvious when placed next to earlier and later models.

[RedHouse]

From what I've been able to gather from the 10 or so pages' worth of threads there's plenty of talk about both bass and guitar pickups - the former makes me, as a bassist, very happy as the place is a treasure mine.

However, one of the things I see that are somewhat lacking are the schematics for the three most common pickup form factors that we've all grown to love - or at least tolerate because they're so common:

• the '51 Precision, or '51 Tele-bass (as I usually denote it, T51)
• the '57 Precision (written above as P57)
• the '60s Jazz pickup (again, as above, J60)

Now, I'm not here to ask for help yet - instead, if there's enough interest (and I haven't seen the schematics stickied anywhere) I'm willing to post PDFs containing multiviews (top, side, front) of the above three pickups with all the neccessary dimensions. The models depicted would be are all standard (that is, Tele pickups have one pole underneath the strings, P/Js have two poles surrounding the string).

Thoughts?

Sure, lets see 'em!

[Possum]

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I'd like to see them, but what are they taken from? Actual measurements of vintage pickups or just modern generic ones? Almost all the reissue pickups seem to be done wrong these days.

Here's a pdf of an unusual bass set of pickups I saw on Ebay, I have no idea if this was the norm or just one variant during a certain period of time

[Possum]

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Crap, this thing works or it doesn't let me try it again....
Oh I see it won't take pdfs.....ok jpeg..

[David Schwab]

You can attach PDFs... I've done it before.

[mkat]

I'd like to see them too. But, as above, I'd like to know whether the measurements are from real 50's and 60's pickups or the current crop of reissues.

[jonson]

How much of this is genuine I dont know, but back in the 80s I was talking to the guys from Heritage and their take on things was when they took over the factory Gibson thought That was it, but then found they had sold everything there including the old jigs and had to come up with something fast like drawing round an existing guitar. Iv'e found a couple of 81s with Richard Schneiders initials in the truss rod opening and the shape was a pencil thickness or more bigger especially round the bottom horn. Could have been Heritage sales pitch, not that it was needed as their dot neck outshone the one on the Gibson stand by a mile.

[David Schwab]

How much of this is genuine I dont know, but back in the 80s I was talking to the guys from Heritage and their take on things was when they took over the factory Gibson thought That was it, but then found they had sold everything there including the old jigs and had to come up with something fast like drawing round an existing guitar.

That's pretty much the story I heard too.

The one LP my friend has is really weird looking. The body doesn't have a nice smooth transition into the waste. It's a funny curve. The story of that model is it was done from a photograph, so the perspective was a bit off.

I'll ask him for the details.

[David King]

Did we scare Stealth off with our fussy requirements? I suppose we'll have to dig up all the goods ourselves now.

[jonson]

got wierd after that David. Brit Fender liason officer(strange title) told me that the trucks even turned up to cart it all away and were then turned away themselves. Now surely the most dumbest corporate lawyer would have seen that coming. Had another Paul in a local shop at the time where the body looked like the jigs had slipped and the whole thing was banana shaped with the neck coming off at a strange angle. Should never have got out of quality control and once the Brit importer heard, they came and ripped it off the wall and replaced it quick. Like to have it now. In the past year before that company was lost to Gibson I have been offered hundreds of Pauls etc with warped necks and busted truss rods etc at a price. . How did they get out.

[RedHouse]

got wierd after that David. Brit Fender liason officer(strange title) told me that the trucks even turned up to cart it all away and were then turned away themselves. Now surely the most dumbest corporate lawyer would have seen that coming. Had another Paul in a local shop at the time where the body looked like the jigs had slipped and the whole thing was banana shaped with the neck coming off at a strange angle. Should never have got out of quality control and once the Brit importer heard, they came and ripped it off the wall and replaced it quick. Like to have it now. In the past year before that company was lost to Gibson I have been offered hundreds of Pauls etc with warped necks and busted truss rods etc at a price. . How did they get out.

And this has WHAT? to do with the pickups mentioned in this thread?