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  • Grounded polepieces vs. closed covers?

    Here's something that went through my mind as I was messing around with my first bass (which I still have, a cheap Fenderoid P/J).

    Grounding the pickup poles using a copper strip on the bottom seems an age-old technique for eliminating some of the hum and buzz that appears in pickups - it definitely helps in case you hit a pole-piece with your finger. However, while watching one of Billy Sheehan's clinics, I noticed him mentioning his pickups intentionally having closed covers so his fingers wouldn't hit the pole-pieces - effectively eliminating the chance of hum in the first place.

    So, what the heck - I took a bit of wallpaper (the plasticized, self-adhesive kind), cut out a few sized pieces and covered up the poles on both the P and the J. The result is quite interesting - since my technique and setup take after Sheehan's in many ways, I think I can safely say the "cover-up" worked fairly well - but I'm not sure if this really solves the issue in itself or if there's another benefit to grounding pole-pieces. Eventually (as soon as I rewind the P/J to my own specs), I will get around to grounding the ones I manage to manufacture, but I'm still wondering - is there something else grounding the pole-pieces can help prevent?
    Pickup prototype checklist: [x] FR4 [x] Cu AWG 42 [x] Neo magnets [x] Willpower [ ] Time - Winding suspended due to exams.

    Originally posted by David Schwab
    Then you have neos... which is a fuzzy bunny wrapped in barbed wire.

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    A closed plastic cover is not going to eliminate noise from ungrounded magnets/poles. That only helps if you get your finger close, but potentially it can be the source of other noise too.

    I see no reason not to ground your magnets. people wouldn't have been having to cover the poles if Fender had grounded their magnets in the first place.
    It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


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    • #3
      To eliminate conducted hum, connect the bridge+strings to ground through a parallel resistor+capacitor.

      270k and .02uf/400VDC does it. Either value is approximate.

      Look:
      Guitar cavity wiring

      -drh
      Last edited by salvarsan; 11-22-2009, 08:41 PM. Reason: damaged URL
      "Det var helt Texas" is written Nowegian meaning "that's totally Texas." When spoken, it means "that's crazy."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by salvarsan View Post
        To eliminate conducted hum, connect the bridge+strings to ground through a parallel resistor+capacitor.
        ...that combination is also called a "ground-loop" break circuit.
        ...and the Devil said: "...yes, but it's a DRY heat!"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by salvarsan View Post
          You have an Ovation Deacon? I always wanted a Bread Winner. I might build myself an updated version at some point. They are very funky guitars.
          It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


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          www.soundcloud.com/davidravenmoon

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          • #6
            Originally posted by David Schwab View Post
            You have an Ovation Deacon? I always wanted a Bread Winner. I might build myself an updated version at some point. They are very funky guitars.
            I have a disassembled old Deacon that was the template for the neck-through on the web site.

            The large mahogany body is a sustain-soak for the high notes.
            If you decide to make a Deacon shaped guitar, use a maple neck
            and body cap, or a brighter tonewood than mahogany-like types.

            -drh
            "Det var helt Texas" is written Nowegian meaning "that's totally Texas." When spoken, it means "that's crazy."

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