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[RedHouse]

All you need is a digital scale. Put an empty box on the scale and zero it out. The fill it with screws. You weigh the full box and then divide it up. Then all you had to do was fill smaller boxes until you hit the target weight. That's probably how they packed those boxes anyway.

Alternately count out a manageable number, like 100, and then weight that. Now you know how much 100 screws weights. No need to count again.

It's a little bit of work, but you wouldn't have been stuck with screws you don't need. $700 is a lot of cash these days. $100 not so much.

If you ever want to divide your surplus up I'd be interested.

No that's no good, then he'd need a period-correct vintage '59 scale.
(just kidding of course)

[David Schwab]

No that's no good, then he'd need a period-correct vintage '59 scale.
(just kidding of course)

I got some of the screws from Wade, and they sound very nice. I don't know if it was that batch or a previous one. I had a Stew Mac kit humbucker laying around and did a before and after with the screws.

I don't see Wade here much anymore...

[Spence]

It was me! 35 TPL with 38 AWG. A guy from Gibson swore blind that's what they did with all them old PAF things and they were wound on the output shaft of a Chevy V8. Gospel!

It was that Sam Lee Guy I bet....lol...just kiddin'. I hope it wasn't me. If it was, it wasn't intentional.



Could you give us more info on what you're referencing? I'm sure everyone on this board, at one time or another, assumed that something would work a certain way or acquired knowledge from somewhere and thought it was correct and then learned later that after testing it, it wasn't correct.

[Ronsonic]

I have to post this because frankly I'm a little irked off about it.
I have been going back and reading some older posts like people who are new to winding etc.. And have come to a shocking conclusion. A lot of the questions that were answered especially about winding, things like tension and TPL were answered just plain wrong!

Snippped

BTW this is in no way to offend anyone or start a flame war, just an observation is all.

OK, putting my soap box away now. Rant is over. Carry on.

Call it out when you see it. Really the best way.

[David Schwab]

It was me! 35 TPL with 38 AWG. A guy from Gibson swore blind that's what they did with all them old PAF things and they were wound on the output shaft of a Chevy V8. Gospel!

Oh that was a Gibson pickup alright... the LP Recording pickup!

I have a roll of 28 AWG here to use for a project. That's going to be fun to wind!

[Spence]

Oh that was a Gibson pickup alright... the LP Recording pickup!

I have a roll of 28 AWG here to use for a project. That's going to be fun to wind!

It just will not be any good if you wind it on the output shaft of a Chevy Metro motor....

[soundmasterg]

Your wife should know by now Dave that if you kick off before she does, she is to give me all of your stuff.

Greg

[Possum]

Yeah I used a postal scale digital when I had to split a box in my very first screw buy 6 years ago. Its still a pain in the ass to do. If you front a group buy you should make money on it to pay for time spent wrangling everything together. Greg when I die you're getting all my old socks, don't get too excited, none of them are vintage...

[David Schwab]

Greg when I die you're getting all my old socks, don't get too excited, none of them are vintage...

But... do they match?

Seriously though, you can sell off some of those screws. I'm sure money is more handy than more screws that you can ever use.

[RedHouse]

...If you front a group buy you should make money on it to pay for time spent wrangling everything together...

I don't agree with that.

I didn't take a dime of peoples money on the gauss-meter group buy, but there you go.

[Possum]

No I'll never sell any of these off, you might ask some of the others, I don't want to ever have to buy screws again at least until next life time. I don't work for free, dealing with these industrial manufacturing guys is a ton of time and effort, mostly they don't give a shit, 40,000 screws is about 15 minutes of work for them and they don't want to have to think about such a small order, we were lucky to get something close to what I wanted, it turned out real well in the end, praise Bhudda. Since one guy bailed and left me holding the bill my fees paid for part of that at least or I probably would have bailed on the whole deal in the end.

[RedHouse]

...I don't work for free...

That's an interesting view of yours in this context of a forum community.

No one works for free, obviously, but a group-buy isn't work, or a job, or a profit making opportunity, or shouldn't be anyways, (IMHO) a group-buy is an effort to help those involved save money by a quantity purchase, not meant to be an opportunity for an individual to make an order fly with a mfr that couldn't otherwise be done without financial help, you have an interesting viewpoint Possum.

[David Schwab]

No I'll never sell any of these off, you might ask some of the others, I don't want to ever have to buy screws again at least until next life time. I don't work for free, dealing with these industrial manufacturing guys is a ton of time and effort, mostly they don't give a shit, 40,000 screws is about 15 minutes of work for them and they don't want to have to think about such a small order, we were lucky to get something close to what I wanted, it turned out real well in the end, praise Bhudda. Since one guy bailed and left me holding the bill my fees paid for part of that at least or I probably would have bailed on the whole deal in the end.

OK, but that's not what you said in the other post:

Tthe screw buy wan't an inexpensive deal, I forget but I think it was about $700 for each participant. 2 bailed and won't be asked again, I got stuck having to pay for 2 spots instead of one, lesson learned. Packing heavy boxes and driving wasn't much fun either, but we all got exceptional screws that aren't available anywhere on planet Earth ;-) I'll be dead before I run out probably...

It's easy to figure out... how many screws do you have, and how many pickups that use them do you sell in a year?

So assuming you have 20,000 screws.... that's 3,333 humbuckers.

As far as working for free... you charge for counting and packaging them.

[Possum]

Hey if you want to handle a large amount of money and run it through you bank and piss away hours and hours trying to wrangle some wage slave in an industry that doesn't give a crap about guitars or your small job, and do it out the goodness of your heart go ahead. I didn't take any money home, it paid for part of my order and helped offset someone who's word wasn't worth a shit. Each member paid approx $700 for 10,000 screws which is a damn good deal you can't beat anywhere for the quality we got, and you can't find a fastener company that will even quote on 10,000 screws alone; well they will if you want to pay $1500 for 10,000. If I ever do another group buy, which is highly doubtful, it will be the exact same deal, I don't work for free, this is not a hobby, this is a business.

[frankfalbo]

It is a business. But when I think about group buys, I picture someone wanting something really bad. But they can't put together the quantities, or tooling costs to make it happen. The fact that they want the items, and at a quantity price, should be what motivates them to organize the group buy. The justification to the organizer is the privilege of getting what he/she needs at a quantity price, or being able to get it at all. So in the case of screws, by my simple math your payment was not having to pay $1500 for 10,000 screws. Assuming it would have cost you $1500 to get someone to make you 10,000 screws, you made $700. And deciding not to organize a group buy could have meant you never, ever would have access to those screws. So in essence, you also profited the difference between those 10,000 screws and the inferior screws readily available. Unfortunately you can't list "superior quality of screws" as an asset.

EDIT: Dave I realize getting stiffed ruined the math for you, and that's unfortunate. I'm just using it as an example.