winding specs for Burstbuckers?

[David Schwab]

I think they are so close that you are only seeing differences in tolerances and not a design feature. Especially on the BB-1 & 2. My coils come out like that and I don't wind with offsets at all.

[David Schwab]

I've said in past threads (and really have no proof) but I am of the opinion that the Burstbuckers are wound with dark-purple dye'd 42 SPN.

I agree. I thought so the first time I saw them.

Another thing is the Burstbucker bobbins are different, the core is not as full of plastic as most HB bobbins we use.

I'm not convinced that matters at all, but Gibson has become the guitar building version of Microsoft. Shoddy craftsmanship and absolutely no taste.

[RedHouse]

I think they are so close that you are only seeing differences in tolerances and not a design feature. Especially on the BB-1 & 2. My coils come out like that and I don't wind with offsets at all.

Sounds like you're not keeping your turns-count under control there.
(just kidding)

It doesn't matter at all, the OP wanted the spec, there we go. I really don't wanna spend the time arguing about interpretation....it is...what it is.

The data is just for reference, as said earlier why would we bother to clone/emulate BB's?, they are not noteworthy tonewise except as an example.

[RedHouse]

...Gibson has become the guitar building version of Microsoft. Shoddy craftsmanship and absolutely no taste.

Not everyone at Microsoft is like that David, an SDC is more complex than you might imagine, and in the end, always comes down to a few people (the decision makers) who get greedy and call it good.
(SDC is a Software Development Cycle)

Plenty of folks got drummed out the door under Balmer'ism because they held-up ship dates trying to get the stuff right, try not to take the easy cheap shot ol buddy.

Too many PM's in the war room deciding what is acceptable to ship un-fixed, those BTW are the same people who get a ship bonus if they can ship on-time, those are also the ones directly responsible to the remaining bugs in the product. For reference to how much bonus $ we're talking about, when Windows Millenium shipped one of the individual's on the PM team purchased a house with his ship-bonus ...cash sale.
(PM's are Product Managers)

Shoddy isn't a realistic analogy for the majority of the worker bee's, for instance Windows 2000 had 1800 known, logged, bugs in the product testers database when it shipped. That was down from 35,000 a year before and is represenative of a LOT of hard work done by a lot of small-fry who work(ed) there. Yes Ideally that last 1800 should have been fixed because the public would have found more after release, but they decided shipping on-time (and bonus money) surely out-weighed the quality measure of the product.

[David Schwab]

Sounds like you're not keeping your turns-count under control there.
(just kidding)

It's all about motor breaking, and the lack there of. Regardless, I can go off the mark quite a bit and you wont ever hear it. I have to do a big offset for that to be noticeable, at least that's my experience. 100 turns? Nothing. I like to stay within 20 or so.

It doesn't matter at all, the OP wanted the spec, there we go. I really don't wanna spend the time arguing about interpretation....it is...what it is.

The data is just for reference, as said earlier why would we bother to clone/emulate BB's?, they are not noteworthy tonewise except as an example.

Yeah, I was just pointing out Gibson's misinformation.

[David Schwab]

Not everyone at Microsoft is like that David, an SDC is more complex than you might imagine, and in the end, always comes down to a few people (the decision makers) who get greedy and call it good.
(SDC is a Software Development Cycle)...

I was talking about the company as a whole. They make a bug ridden insecure copy of the Mac OS, except they have no taste in design. It's not as ugly as it was, but once again it's because they are copying Apple. For a while they had almost the exact same desktop backgrounds!

It's a clumsy and poorly thought out GUI. It was like the long running joke about selecting "Start" to shut down your computer.

But even Gates is in total denial when it comes to them plagiarizing Apple.

Bill Gates loses his grip on reality | Software | Editors'; Notes | Macworld

[RedHouse]

...But even Gates is in total denial when it comes to them plagiarizing Apple...

Apple/PC...Chevy/Ford...Gibson/Fender....it's still the same 'ol (lame 'ol) debate, let's not bother.

Gates denial goes way back, he's noted for developing BASIC and MSBASIC but he "got" most of it from University. He bought DOS from another company in Seattle and merely sold it on to IBM as a package deal (PCDOS & BASIC).

Now he's one of the leaders in anti reverse-develompment legislature and still buys what he can't develop, or I should say Ballmer the MBA does it now. If you had access to the NT code tree you'd see header after header of (C files) where the description at the top is from other companies/indiviuals work (contractors mostly) which gets bought or otherwise folded in to the product.

{Edit} BTW, Vista was definately a rediculous piece of "work".

That video is quite good David, pretty much says it all. Just remember it's not the worker-bees making that sort of crap part of the product. Don't you think it's dead embarasing to work somewhere where the "visionaries" are seeing someone else's vision?.

[David Schwab]

Yeah, IBM-DOS/MS-DOS was from QDOS and CP/M (DR-DOS).

But the point was that Gibson, like Microsoft, have no taste, as is evidenced in some of Gibson's tacky new offerings, like the Dusk Tiger, Eye Guitar, Firebird X, BFG, Holy Explorer, and let's not forget the SG Zoot Suit.

New Gibson tries to copy the real Gibson, just as MS tries and copies Apple, and they get lost along the way.

If it wasn't for the old classic designs that the new company had nothing to do with, what would you have? And they seem to have a problem getting the classic designs made right.

[RedHouse]

....But the point was that Gibson, like Microsoft, have no taste, as is evidenced in some of Gibson's tacky new offerings, like the Dusk Tiger, Eye Guitar, Firebird X, BFG, Holy Explorer, and let's not forget the SG Zoot Suit.

I'll have to give you that, hands down.

[lexluthier72]

Hey Guys....Thanks for ALL the info. It gives me something to reference (I happen to like the sound of the BB3 I have in my guitar) You guys are both correct when it comes to opinions about Gibson....They are definitely not the company they were in the good old days...Its become a profit driven entity....sadly, the worker bees have little to no say in what happens. =(