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  • SAVBIT solder for attaching leads to fine copper wire

    Some time ago, there was a thread on how best to get the insulation off of #42 or finer magnet wire. My approach was to use solderable polyurethane-nylon insulation, a 800 F iron, and great speed.

    The objection was that using such a hot iron would lead to premature failure of the fine wire, and sanding the insulation off was more reliable. Now, I never had such experience but also never used such fine wire before either, and theorized that the problem was the copper wire dissolving in the hot solder. I recalled that there had been a copper-loaded solder called SAV-A-BIT that ought to be able to solve the problem, but then could not find it.

    Well, I tripped over it today. The original company "Multicore" had been bought, then the acquiring company was itself bought, twice or thrice, and somewhere in the process the brand name of the solder type was shortened, thwarting google

    It is now called "Multicore SAVBIT" solder from Henkel Technologies, and is available from UK electronics distributors. In the US, Newark carries it (via Farnell).

    MULTICORE (SOLDER)|DS18 500G REEL|SOLDER WIRE, SAVBIT, 1.22MM, 500G | Newark.com

    Attached is the datasheet. Notice the test of how long it takes to dissolve a fine copper wire enough that it breaks. 800 F is 427 C, and 0.067 mm is almost exactly AWG #42.

    The silver-bearing "HMP" solder may in fact be slightly better for 800 F soldering, needed to smoke the solderable insulation quickly enough.

    So, we may now have a production solution: Use a 800 F tip and SAVBIT solder. And do it quickly, as always. Should be a puff of smoke and done - one, maybe two seconds.
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  • #2
    You could also use sandpaper and the ultra-low temp solder I suppose.
    Is anyone using soderon 180 type insulation? I was wondering about trying that instead of the 155.

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    • #3
      I'll have to check this solder out. I set my iron to 700° and hold the tip to the wire until the lead insulation starts to deform. Then I know I got it hot enough.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by David Schwab View Post
        I'll have to check this solder out. I set my iron to 700° and hold the tip to the wire until the lead insulation starts to deform. Then I know I got it hot enough.
        The solderable magnet wire I've used specified a 750 F iron or hotter. In those days, I used a Weller TCP iron, and the choices were 700 F and 800 F, so I use 800 F.

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        • #5
          IIRC "Multi-core" was made by Ersin wasn't it?
          (way back when)

          That used to be the best solder IMHO.
          -Brad

          ClassicAmplification.com

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RedHouse View Post
            IIRC "Multi-core" was made by Ersin wasn't it?
            (way back when)

            That used to be the best solder IMHO.
            Yes, it was. All that remains is that the flux is named Ersin.

            I think Ersin the company invented the multicore solder, which became their main product, so they renamed the company after their main product.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Joe Gwinn View Post
              The solderable magnet wire I've used specified a 750 F iron or hotter. In those days, I used a Weller TCP iron, and the choices were 700 F and 800 F, so I use 800 F.
              I cranked it up to 800 F. I'm using a Aoyue station.
              It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


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