While I'm at it

[NightWinder]

iF YOU WERE A BASEHEAD,THINKING ABOUT CARJACKING SOMEONE....WELL, EVERYONE CAN CARRY A GUN, SHIT, MAYBE THIS GUYS PACKIN? MAKES FOR FAIR PLAY!.

[NightWinder]

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[David Schwab]

Guns Don't Kill People!!!people Kill People!!

That's a circular argument. People kill people with guns... not with a pizza. If they don't have access to guns, than they can't use one to kill someone. There are other ways to kill people, but none of them are as detached as pointing a gun at someone. The other are more intimate, you have to get closer and maybe even touch the person.

What is the purpose of a gun other than to kill someone?

What would have happened at V Tech if he didn't have a gun? Would he have walked through the halls hitting people with a hammer? A knife? Maybe throw pies at everyone!

iF YOU WERE A BASEHEAD,THINKING ABOUT CARJACKING SOMEONE....WELL, EVERYONE CAN CARRY A GUN, SHIT, MAYBE THIS GUYS PACKIN? MAKES FOR FAIR PLAY!.

It wouldn't make a difference. People already carry guns, and there are still car jackings. If you are going to be car jacked, you aren't going to be given advance notice! What do you do when the guy comes up to you and has a gun in your face? You sure as hell don't have a chance to get your own gun.

Cops carry guns, and they are still killed with guns. If you have a gun, and the robber has a gun, he thinks he has an even chance. Plus baseheads don't use logic and reason. Unless it was mandated that every person carry a gun, there's the chance that the person he is robbing doesn't have one, or wont have a chance to get to it.

It's wishful thinking, that's all it is.

[kevinT]

I didn’t want to get into this debate because it is one of those issues that is never ending and never winning like politics, religion, abortion, handwinding vs. machine winding pickups, etc….but what the hell …that is what I love about the USA, … we can express ourselves without the threat of retaliation.

The fact is people do kill people, and people are the ones that decide to pull the trigger. Whether it is with a gun, sword, a golf club, or toe nail clippers….people have been killing people for thousands of years and they will continue to…. unfortunately that is the reality of life.

Knowing that someone in a house could have a gun to protect themselves is enough deterrent to prevent many folks from breaking into the house. If you take away responsible gun owner's rights that will leave it unbalanced where the criminals will have the upper hand.

There are millions of law-abiding, RESPONSIBLE, gun owners that shouldn’t be penalized because of a few bad apples. Granted, in the v Tech situation/context it would have limited the number of victims if the person didn’t have 2 guns at his disposal…. but in the end that is a mute point too. If someone is determined to kill masses of people they’re going to do it. Whether using a truck filled with fertilizer, pipe bombs, chemical attacks, flying aircraft into buildings, etc….

In these types of instances where a gun is used… it is blown way out of proportion because of mass media. They make it look as though the guns are at fault--when the person using the gun is a fault. Lets say that you get rid of all the guns….will that stop people from killing people…the answer is no. They will do it by other means. More people are killed on the roads by car crashes than by guns every year….do we stop making cars because some folks aren’t good or responsible drivers?

We're not babies, you can't take away everything that may be used as a weapon.

What needs to be focused more on is metal illness and improving methods to treat/help folks…and having the ability to do something about it if one suspects that another person is unstable and a possible threat.

Look at the guy that killed Dimebag …he also had indications of instability….but no one did anything about it or they couldn’t or didn’t have the means.

I don’t have a gun and I don’t have a need for one right now… I have many six-string guns that suit my needs when I need an outlet. But I want the right to own a gun to be there if I decide to purchase one for my own protection at a later date. If you don’t like guns, don’t own one….it’s that simple.

If someone killed me for now reason with a gun just walking down the street today, I still wouldn’t want the right of gun ownership to be taken away and I wouldn't want my family advocating the elimination of gun ownership.

We need to stop thinking about the government taking away our rights. Do we want to live in a police state? sadam husseins, hitlers, milosavichs running our lives? pardon my spelling.


I could go on and on…..but I used enough forum space…..It’s just my 2 cents worth, take it or leave it….you have that right.

[NightWinder]

At least you realize your rights, and don't blame guns as a danger. Its the person. MUCHO Respect

[NightWinder]

I could kill you with pizza, and never touch you, readily available chemicals? Should they be banned. The point is, like has been said a million times, There is nothing wrong with guns! Its the operator!! Sick people that have no business having a gun. Everyone should have 3 or 4. CCW. get and use it. You cn holster it behind you also and carry in Public......So you are blantantly saying noone should have guns? Your crazy!!
This whole situation with Vtech is a very very sad situation. Had they had not put it a No gun zone, maybe, just maybe someone would have been carrying....and maybe lowered the death count by one, or better yet,, maybe just one would have died? That in itself speaks for itself....I just can't agree with you dude. Blantantly, I think you are out of your mind. Better yet, YOU are scared of guns yourself, because you don't know how to operate one, maybe never had one. HAd you, maybe you would understand
I take my son rabbit hunting. Why? Because I want him to know, and teach him how to use it. Furthermore, when he kills a rabbit, he sees first hand the devistation a gun can create. Mentally, this triggers the brain....Guns are not a toy. Thats why you here allo this shit about kids finding guns and playing with them and killing their friend on accident. Parents never taught them the RESPONSABLITYS involed in operating a gun. Had they, he'd know it was'nt a toy.
I honestly think your a cool dude David, but damn....Listen to what your saying.......HAve you ever honestly shot a gun? Be truthful? Its fun as hell!!
Just don't blame guns man. That guy was a punk bitch that was a coward and would have eventually killed anyway.....He was sick in the head!!!

[David Schwab]

Sick people that have no business having a gun.

But they always will as long as anyone can buy one. The laws need to be stricter and better backgrounds checks are needed.

The current system does not work.

[NightWinder]

i will agree with you on that ,friend.

[kevinT]

But they always will as long as anyone can buy one. The laws need to be stricter and better backgrounds checks are needed.

The current system does not work.

I strongly agree too.

[black_labb]

personally i think guns make killing too easy to do. you can do it in a flash and its over. thats the reason i think guns should be outlawed. i think something like a rifle isnt bad, as it isnt easily concealed, yes sure you can go and shoot people anyway, but its not as simple as pointing a gun like a remote control and clicking the button, at least you have to worry about carrying the big thing around.

really if pistols were outlawed, there would still be killings, but probably not so many as people would have to prepare for them, and that would give them time to think.

[kevinT]

There are three schools of thought/perpectives here regarding guns. I think david said that guns are only for killing. That is pretty much true but you have to take it further than just that statment. Let's break it down and see how guns are used....because that is what its really about.

To the criminal/terrorist/pshyco, a gun is a tool to manipulate folks, harm victims, instill fear, and to kill folks that don't comply with thier demands. In this context, a gun can be seen as being a negative thing. Something that does harm and used in a bad way. If the perpetraitor used a baseball bat or a pocket knife, those instruments would also be viewed in that same negative way.

QUOTE: "personally i think guns make killing too easy to do. you can do it in a flash and its over" That is a true statement and probably why criminals like guns so much. But that is a good thing also, because the good person being victimized would also need that ease and speed to protect themselves if the criminal is attacking him/her. You wouldn't want to be loading a musket when a criminal is coming at you with a Glock.

To the law-abiding responsible gun owner, a gun to him/her is security and protection from possible threats to himself and to his family, or the business owner who needs to protect himself and property from robbers etc. In this context a gun is a good thing because it protects us from the evil doers. I'm sure most folks here would use a gun to kill criminals if they broke into your house and began raping and murdering your family. Killing with a gun in this instance is necessary if you want to survive...the only other option would be to give up and be lead to the slaughter--which is not an option for me.

Then there are the folks in the middle who don't like guns at all and simply don't want to deal with them and just want them to vanish off the face of the earth. Which is ok....but it is unrealistic. Because guns have proliferated into our society for hundreds of years, taking away the right to own a gun now would leave the criminals with the upper hand. Instead, we have to approach gun issues in creative, more effective ways like more thourough background checks and tougher penalties for people that use a gun to commit a crime to name a few approaches.

In an ideal world, having no guns at all would be ok with me because it would put us all on a level playing field with the crooks and evil doers. But that simply is never going to happen.

[black_labb]

its funny how your government seeked out a country that may not have certain weapons because they may use these weapons that there is a possibility of them having, but dont care that a huge amount of people in their coutry have weapons for sure and are deffinately using them to kill. just something to think about.

[kevinT]

its funny how your government seeked out a country that may not have certain weapons because they may use these weapons that there is a possibility of them having, but dont care that a huge amount of people in their coutry have weapons for sure and are deffinately using them to kill. just something to think about.

There is nothing to think about. Bush is an idiot.

Bush is not all of the Federal government and not all Americans agree with him nor support his policies.

It's just sad that a lot of good people are sacrificing (being away from families) and giving their lives all because of his bad decisions and ego trip.

....sorry.... i get wound up like a loose coil sometimes....let me take a chill pill to rid myself of these microphonics.

or maybe we should start a "Pickup Makers' Bitching Corner"

[black_labb]

There is nothing to think about. Bush is an idiot.

Bush is not all of the Federal government and not all Americans agree with him nor support his policies.

It's just sad that a lot of good people are sacrificing (being away from families) and giving their lives all because of his bad decisions and ego trip.

....sorry.... i get wound up like a loose coil sometimes....let me take a chill pill to rid myself of these microphonics.

or maybe we should start a "Pickup Makers' Bitching Corner"

im not saying that all americans support him or anything like that, it was just an observation from an outsider on the situation.

[NightWinder]

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