what do you guys think about this

[hotshot991]

hey guys, I am about to buy from a guy what he says is two vintage 60s gibson paf magnets and a keeper bar but I was just wondering what you guys thought about them-----

p.s. he says he thinks the bar and the rougher course magnet is an early 60s like 61 or 62 but the magnet that is smooth on both sides is a later 60s, I know you cant completely date something like this but it doesn't hurt to get the experts to chime in

[big_teee]

Should be worth $10-$12, or so.

[hotshot991]

ha ha I will tell him that

[big_teee]

ha ha I will tell him that

I know what your saying, but think about it???
How do you prove or know they are from a PAF.
If you put them in a new Pickup, Does that make the Pickup worth more?
Will it sound any better than a new magnet, and keeper?
Perhaps, but I doubt it.
It would be worth more like 8-10 dollars to me.
I would be more interested in the keeper than the magnets.
They looked like polished magnets, not in the rough.
T

[LtKojak]

ha ha I will tell him that

He was NOT joking.

I agree with BigTee, and I'm not joking either.

HTH,

[David Schwab]

Even if they are real, so what? They aren't all that special, or different from what you can get today.

[copperheadroads]

All good info here
,& agreed that if there are genuine they will sound a little different ,not necessarily better just different compared to modern magnets available today .
as for the keeper bar ,you cant compare these to some of the stamped products that some of the dealers sell .IMO a machined keeper sounds better
which is why i make my own .
but Flash the big "Vintage" words in front of anything & it must 100 times better than anything made today .......am I right ?

[David Schwab]

you cant compare these to some of the stamped products that some of the dealers sell .IMO a machined keeper sounds better
which is why i make my own .

Assuming the steel is the same alloy, how do they sound different?

And if they do, how do you know what alloy they are using? I would think they might use a softer steel if they are stamping them.

[copperheadroads]

Assuming the steel is the same alloy, how do they sound different?

And if they do, how do you know what alloy they are using? I would think they might use a softer steel if they are stamping them.

Thats probably the main difference ,the alloy is different .
some of those stamped keepers are probably made from a pretty hard alloy

[David Schwab]

They would be using softer steel for stamping.

If you are machining your own, you have a lot more control.

[copperheadroads]

They would be using softer steel for stamping.

If you are machining your own, you have a lot more control.

I have found just the opposite

[David Schwab]

I have found just the opposite

It probably gets work hardened. Why wold they use harder steel if they are stamping a piece out? That would make it harder to stamp. Then their dies would get dull faster.

Think about it.

Now what don't you like about the tone? Darker or brighter?

[copperheadroads]

When it comes to stamped keepers that I have tried i like the stew mac keeper over mojo's .I find the holes in Mojo's keepers a little on the big side which probably effects the tone more than the alloy

[David Schwab]

The size of the holes won't affect the tone. The keeper is just something to for the magnet to have contact with, since the screws are smaller in diameter than the slugs.

[frankfalbo]

The size of the holes won't affect the tone. The keeper is just something to for the magnet to have contact with, since the screws are smaller in diameter than the slugs.

No that's not true in my experience. I've run tests for this specifically, with identical spacers where the only difference is the hole size. One tight (but not threaded) and the other with just a tiny bit of wiggle room. (maybe .010-.015"?) I wasn't the only one to hear the difference. It's not so much in the tonal content as it is the response to transients and the first 50-100ms of the envelope. The difference exists, the only thing to debate is what percentage of people would be able to detect it.