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  • #16
    Let me note in passing that while I doubt you can actually nail scooped mids in a single pickup (whether SC or HB), variations of scooped mids is actually part of the position 2 and 4 "cluck" sounds on a Strat, and probably some pickup combinations on other instruments as well.

    In those instances, the de-emphasized midrange is actually a product of cancellations rather than an inherent property of the wind itself. I know we like to think of multi-pickup combinations as additive, but with the same string wiggling over multiple pickups, sometimes counteracting string motion occurs, and with it cancellations. Every plucked string produces multiple vibrations and wavelengths at the same time. The between-pickup distance and note being played results in some waves on the vibrating string that have part of the string moving away from the polepieces over one pickup while simultaneously moving towards the polepieces on another. You get sort of the same thing happening with PAF-style and dual-rail humbuckers as well, but in those instances the cancellations occur at such short wavelengths that they arer well out of the midrange.

    That's not to say that the famous Strat "cluck" sound is equal to scooped mids, but midrange cancellations are part of what delivers up the seemingly pronounced bass and treble. Technically and theoretically, then, a person might be able to provide a designated or targetted midrange scoop by a) winding pickups with a given set of resonances, and b) positioning them a given distance from each other so as to electronically produce cancellations at those selected frequencies at the pickup stage without any additional EQ-ing.

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    • #17
      Well, you know the old saying with hand wounds....You have to find that sweet spot...Enough power, but also letting the string breath (move i suppose). Lets not forget material, and magnet choice- and most inportantly Coil shape. I find coil shape an important factor in this topic.
      MArk- on B your talking literally the distance between coils right, not offsets?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Mark Hammer View Post
        Let me note in passing that while I doubt you can actually nail scooped mids in a single pickup (whether SC or HB), variations of scooped mids is actually part of the position 2 and 4 "cluck" sounds on a Strat, and probably some pickup combinations on other instruments as well.
        I agree. Can't really see how you can do it with one pickup.
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        • #19
          scooped mids...?

          Originally posted by kevinT View Post
          I kinda got a basic idea, but can anyone describe what scooped mids are and what the middle frequencies do when they are scooped. What does it sound like? ...if it is possible to describe.

          I'm a little unclear of what it actually is and what it sounds like...eventhough I'm sure that i've heard them or scooped some myself at some point in time.
          That ring-a-ding, chimey sound of a Twin Reverb, Super Reverb, or Bandmaster Reverb, is what "scooped mids" are all about. It's pretty much
          the "country" sound with a little "chorus" effects added to it.... Or a Strat,
          in the "tween" position, of the bridge and middle pick-up. IMHO

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          • #20
            scooped mids

            Another way to desribed it would be to describe the "opposite" of "scooped"
            mids... Mids, are the "fat" tone usually used for "lead" guitar. I'm thinking,
            Billy Gibbons, and ZZ Top..... Anybody else.....??????? want to chime in...?
            (pun intended...)

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            • #21
              Wire size, Magnet "thickness", not to mention gauss, length of the magnet, material (slugs, screws, and keepers- we can throw these around all day)...Once told YMMV? More importantly, Mark and others said "In the wind".....It can be done, and to a T. Do it everyday.... But back to the topic...I believe it come DIRECTLY from the choice of wire gauge, wind, and nmagnet choice. Everything else is manipulating.....(metal composits)

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              • #22
                The inbetween is Volume drop.....Fenders....I'd hardly call mid heavy to begin with( compared to marshalls...and boggies shit gottat turn the bass down to 5, and mids)....Not that they lack any...but pertrude more top end simply..which is a desired sound for country. Not to mention...Instrument type: PAul, Junior, Es, Strat, V etc.....

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                • #23
                  classic Paf in every sense

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by NightWinder View Post
                    The inbetween is Volume drop.....Fenders....I'd hardly call mid heavy to begin with( compared to marshalls...and boggies shit gottat turn the bass down to 5, and mids)....Not that they lack any...but pertrude more top end simply..which is a desired sound for country. Not to mention...Instrument type: PAul, Junior, Es, Strat, V etc.....
                    Nightwinder, KevinT ask about the SOUND of "scooped" mids. Not why or how they were "scooped". Wind all the pick-ups you want, and crank your Marshalls any way you want, I was not describing Marshall's or Boogies or anything else. I was describing certain Fender amps and the way they sound
                    TO ME..... And yes the volume will drop if you use the 'tween" position on a Strat, but that is because the pickups are out of "phase", not electronically, but physically, with each other, in relation to the scale of the neck. Go wind
                    THAT.....

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                    • #25
                      Really? Nuts??? Don't quite no where to begin with this one....I value the opinion, but i really have to disagree. To me , pickups are the cheapest thing to get "your" tone. Surpises me, considering all the variables..............

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by slowhand401 View Post
                        Nightwinder, KevinT ask about the SOUND of "scooped" mids. Not why or how they were "scooped". Wind all the pick-ups you want, and crank your Marshalls any way you want, I was not describing Marshall's or Boogies or anything else. I was describing certain Fender amps and the way they sound
                        TO ME..... And yes the volume will drop if you use the 'tween" position on a Strat, but that is because the pickups are out of "phase", not electronically, but physically, with each other, in relation to the scale of the neck. Go wind
                        THAT.....
                        KevinT Quoted:i just see it a lot in descriptions of pickups from many pickup makers.
                        Thought it would be nice to confirm that it can be done in the pickup. I clearly understood his question....and added a little too, as you can now see, nor did he directly make a question of it, THOUGHT I MIGHT ADD MY 19 CENTS TO IT. Did you mind? Should I have asked your permission? Kev's been here awile and is quite knowledgeable, and is very cool I might add. I wind the way I want, And believe me...I crank the Marshalls. Fenders too for that matter. I'm glad the amps sound the way they do to YOU....I don't need a lesson on what ""tween positions"" are about. I wind 'THAT" every day.....

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by slowhand401 View Post
                          Nightwinder, KevinT ask about the SOUND of "scooped" mids. Not why or how they were "scooped". Wind all the pick-ups you want, and crank your Marshalls any way you want, I was not describing Marshall's or Boogies or anything else. I was describing certain Fender amps and the way they sound
                          TO ME..... And yes the volume will drop if you use the 'tween" position on a Strat, but that is because the pickups are out of "phase", not electronically, but physically, with each other, in relation to the scale of the neck. Go wind
                          THAT.....
                          Slowhand401
                          I was not describing Marshall's or Boogies or anything else.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by NightWinder View Post
                            MArk- on B your talking literally the distance between coils right, not offsets?
                            Yes.

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                            • #29
                              Trust me, I'm a LOT more conservative (and cheap) in my conception of "EQ/filtering" than you'd think. I agree that a pickup change CAN be an extremely cost-effective way to change tone, but I'm talking something as simple as 2 resistors and 2 caps in a passive notch configuration, or a choke/cap/pot conversion of a Strat's 2nd tone control to be a mid-cut. Doesn't really get much cheaper than that.

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                              • #30
                                Oh, ok . I got ya now. After all....you steered me in the right direction for my chorus pedal too...Guy knows his electronics!!

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