What's the height size of the D and G mag. on a staggered Tele bridge PU?

[Telemachos]

Good evening. What's the height size of the D and G mag. on a staggered Tele bridge PU? I just can't find the exact specs.
I measured a MIM Fender staggered pickup wich reads approximately .071" at the D and 0,689 at the G. To me it looks like these are taller than the orig. vintage stagger which I assume could be around 0,689 at the D pole. Not sure. Anybody can shed a light on this? Thanks

[big_teee]

Here's one way to do it.
http://music-electronics-forum.com/a...magstagger.pdf

[Telemachos]

Thank you Terry. I already had this pdf, but it seems to be incomplete. On the 60ies Telecaster stagger the D magnet seems to be slightly taller than the G pole.

[big_teee]

I make my Tele pickups all flat, because of the flatter radius necks these days.
Also with the unwound G string, there is no need for a raised G.
Do them the way you like, there seems to be no rules on stagger or no stagger.
I use a mild stagger of my own, for strats, strictly because some players insist on a stagger with beveled poles.
The Antiquity looks to have a equally raised G & D.
Antiquity for 1955 Telecaster®: bridge (lead), raised D & G pole / 11024-27 - Seymour Duncan Vintage Output
http://www.seymourduncan.com/product...aptl-3jd.shtml
If you have seen all of these, you are probably as well versed on tele stagger as the rest of us!
T

[Telemachos]

Well, I do my own stagger too but in some cases orig. vintage specs is required by players. The SD link is interesting as it says that the total height of magnets is 0.688", which I think relates to the D pole magnet. If you look closely to that antiquity photo you will notice that the G pole is slightly shorter than the G pole. Anyway you are of great help. I was desperately trying to find some info on that.
I think the issiue w. the old days wound strings relates to both poles, D and G being equal in height. Later on Fender decided to shorten the G pole to match unwound strings. That's my Theory, dunno I might be wrong.

[Telemachos]

Just for the record, here's what I measured on a MIM Fender Classic 60ies series Tele Bridge Staggered

Compared to the Antiquity, which I assume is more historically correct, these slugs are considerably longer.

E …..0.66"…….16,8 mm
A …..0.66"…….16,8 mm
D …..0.71"…….18,0 mm
G …..0.68"…….17,2 mm
H …..0.66"…….16,8 mm
E …..0.66"…….16,8 mm

[big_teee]

As puckered as the flatwork is at the top of the magnets, I can't tell if they are equal or not.
I lightly chamfer the top of the flatwork which reduces the pucker.
This one showed them equal.
Seymour Duncan [www.seymourduncan.com] - Products - Telecaster - APTL-3JD
GL,
T

[the great waldo]

Hi Telemachos

Here's the measurement from an old Fender tele pu i've had lying around Grey baseplate with 93 9 on the plate
E--16.75 mm
A--16.61 mm
D--18.23 mm
G--17.45 mm
B/H-16.6 mm
e-- 16.6 mm

10.9 between flanges

4.66 diameter magnets

Cheers

Andrew

[Telemachos]

Hey, that's great info, although it will give me some thinking. Did you measure it w. the copper plate still on?

[the great waldo]

Hi Telemachos

All measurements without baseplate.

Mfg. Andrew

Hey, that's great info, although it will give me some thinking. Did you measure it w. the copper plate still on?

[Kindly Killer]

I use the Fender plastic bobbins to make prototypes because you can audition different magnets. Then when I find a good coil/mag recipe I make the real thing - or just glue the mags in place if I'm feeling really lazy or I've already bonded deeply with the prototype.

IMHO if I want the best sounding pickup for myself or a friend, the single most important step is to get really clear criteria defined in my own mind before starting. That way I can work from a known sound to the sound I want, using everything I know how to vary, e.g. mag height. Using a plastic bobbin makes that part easy.

Also I end the coil like a humbucker with a little pigtail under tape so I can easily add/subtract turns. I'm no expert, but I've found that to be the quickest path to what I want.

[Telemachos]

O.K., guys, here's a mid 60ies Telecaster bridge PU I could get a hand on. As you can see, the D and G magnets are definitely different in height. Unfortunately I can't take exact measurements because I don't want to remove the bridge plate. So here's the closest I could get w. the copper plate on:

E 18.00 mm - 1,4 mm……0,65"
A 18.00 mm - 1,4 mm……0,65"
D 19,45 mm - 1,4 mm.…..0,71"
G 18,95 mm - 1,4 mm……0,69"
B 18,00 mm - 1,4 mm…..0,65"
E 18,10 mm - 1,4 mm..…0,657"

[Telemachos]

So looks like my measurements are similar to those Waldo took.

[the great waldo]

So looks like my measurements are similar to those Waldo took.

Hi Telemachos

That looks like a 63 pup. I think the one I have is a bit later with a grey baseplate. If anyone knows the code system for tele pups please let us know.

Cheers

Andrew

[Telemachos]

Hi Telemachos

That looks like a 63 pup. I think the one I have is a bit later with a grey baseplate. If anyone knows the code system for tele pups please let us know.

Cheers

Andrew

The owner told me that there was a period in time where they used also black bases bobbins, I forgot the exact date. What I also noticed is that this slug is wound with either HFormvar or this reddish poly that looks like the wire StewMac is selling. I tell ya, things are weird these days and you'll never know for sure if things are fake or vintage correct. So personally I don't give a damn because I fortunately have bought my vintage guitar armada 3 decades ago and I'm not planning to do risky investments in the future.
However I can#t really tell for sure wether this wire is vintage correct or not. Someone else might know better. I remain curious.