Historically correct winding direction of Telecaster bridge PUs?

[Telemachos]

Any one can shade a light on this? Thanx

[LtKojak]

Any one can shade a light on this? Thanx

He used to be a very active poster here in the past.

Pickups specifications, Fender , Gibson, etc..

HTH,

[Telemachos]

Mille Grazie, I'm surprised to see that Fender used poly too on these pickups. Is there any other source that I can read for double check? Thanx

[big_teee]

When you say historically correct, for what period of fender time are you referring to.
Fender did things all ways through time.
Same as with the G&D string, that was only a short period in time.
Just pick one you like and go with it.
T

[kayakerca]

Any one can shade a light on this? Thanx

Here is an old '57 Bridge.

http://music-electronics-forum.com/t34523/#post320988

[Telemachos]

Well, if my memory serves me right, I think Fender wound all Broad, No, and Telecaster pickups from 1948 to 1970 and possibly up to now always in the same direction. So no use to mess around w. s.th. different as I need to be consistent with what I'm doing on the corresponding neck PU, especially if I want it to be hum cancelling in the middle position. I got a customer's 1965 or 67 I think which needs a rewound on the neck PU. The customer wants it hum cancelling, so with the permission of the owner I reversed the polarity of the neck PU magnets but kept the cW winding direction, which in turn needs to be ground wire starting white and hot wire ending black as I initially assumed that the bridge PU was wound CW w. hot wire ending white, just as a std. Stratocaster PU. First odd thing I noticed when installing the rewound PU, was that it needed to hook up the black wire to the switch AND that it had a hum problem once you touched the chrome cap.
So, with you guys information about the bridge PU things seem to clear up now. I probably just need to switch the leads to different eyelets at the neck PU.

[copperheadroads]

Mille Grazie, I'm surprised to see that Fender used poly too on these pickups. Is there any other source that I can read for double check? Thanx

S.K does state what type of wire was used.
what pickups & the date are you referring to as fender using poly

[Telemachos]

SK says:....

60's/70's 42 PE/Poly 7800 CCW 6.4 A5 South

I'm not sure what date exactly he is eferring to, so it leaves the impression, that poly was used too during the 60ies and 70ies, which I hadn't read before.

[Telemachos]

Here is an old '57 Bridge.

http://music-electronics-forum.com/t34523/#post320988

THank you so much. Definitely makes things double clear. Is this a rewound job you've done w. Heavy Formwar rather than w. Plain Enamel? Or is this original wire?

[jason lollar]

most often the ground lead is on the left which is the inside of the coil but its not that way across the board with every pickup model they made and there are times when south up was normal and other times north up was the direction of the year.
see photo http://www.fenderrelic.net/wp-conten...b5d98640b4.jpg

[kayakerca]

THank you so much. Definitely makes things double clear. Is this a rewound job you've done w. Heavy Formwar rather than w. Plain Enamel? Or is this original wire?

A friend brought them by to let me have a look at them, that '57 and a '53 (both dead). He had started to disassemble the '57 but immediately broke outer turns on the coil and left it in the condition you see in the photo. He is keeping them as they are "just because".

[Telemachos]

A friend brought them by to let me have a look at them, that '57 and a '53 (both dead). He had started to disassemble the '57 but immediately broke outer turns on the coil and left it in the condition you see in the photo. He is keeping them as they are "just because".

So, are you saying that this reddish color wire is what it originally came with. From my understanding Tele PU never used Heavy Formwar or Poly, but what do I know. I've seen a couple of Tele PUs that do have kind of reddish, probably HFormwar wire but then I often think that these poor guys must have been ripped off or maybe some folk must have rewound it some time ago,..dunno. Today a champion steel PU came in and it looks like HFormwar. The guy claims that it's all orig but he## he's a dealer. Thanx again

[Telemachos]

most often the ground lead is on the left which is the inside of the coil but its not that way across the board with every pickup model they made and there are times when south up was normal and other times north up was the direction of the year.
see photo http://www.fenderrelic.net/wp-conten...b5d98640b4.jpg

Thanks Jason,
yes as with the Stratocaster PUs I have almost always seen the starting wire to be left/black. With the Tele bridge PUs I'm a bit confused as there seems to be a variety of different ways to hook up wires, colors and winding direction within the aftermarket pu makers too.
What do you think about the issue on wire insulation type of vintage Telecasters. Did Fender ever used other type than PE? I'm aware of alternative wire to achieve great results but in some cases vintage correct wire and insulation is needed on resto winds.

[Jim Shine]

Yes, old Teles used Plain Enamel in both positions, 43 on the neck, 42 on the bridge. For some reason, ideas tend to center around the Stratocaster universe. The fact is pre-CBS Fender used both plain enamel and Formvar at the same time. What mattered was the model guitar. Later CBS standardized the wire across the line. All that varied was thickness.

[Telemachos]

I've seen PE only on Stratocasters fromabout the mid sixtees on, all else that I have seen used HF. Any cognitions about where the starting wire started on Telecaster PUs? Right or left eyelet when viewing from the top?