Low-z circuit matching

[Stilts]

...Only then can the rest of us possibly chime in with advice, solutions, or suggestions...

Not to be irreverent, but I got the advice I needed pretty quickly (partially from yourself) so let's leave the more esoteric elements for another time

Thanks for the help everyone

[Rick Turner]

Yeah, wire gauge and turns counts are really esoteric elements of pickup winding.

So sorry to suggest that you tax your brain a wee bit...

But I guess it's hip to be intellectually lazy these days.

[Stilts]

I'm a biologist, not an electrical engineer. Believe it or not, some of us are happy to make something that makes a noise and does the job rather than obsess over things that most people wouldn't notice the difference about anyway. A pickup is but one part of an entire instrument's worth of things that impart their own tonal signatures, and it might amaze some people that good tone often comes from a good player on what many would deem a terrible instrument. Like I said, I got my advice from what information I provided, I didn't think anything else needed to be added. Sorry to disturb you up there on your high horse Mr Turner

[Rick Turner]

If you're a "biologist", then certainly there must be some steps in the "scientific method" that took when you studied.

I'm on no "high horse", but I do expect that those who ask questions in forums like this should at least do a minimum of home work and documentation before they ask all-too-hazy questions of us...yeah, "us", being those who are happy to attempt to come up with answers to intelligent questions...because we have done our homework.

If you were just a wanker with no "scientific" training, I might go a bit lighter on you. But you present yourself as a "biologist", and therefore I now hold you to a higher standard of inquiry and certainly expect that you should be as scrupulous in your inquiries into pickup design as you might be in understanding the biology of a common newt.

But no... You want to ask a total wanker's question and not be expected to have done any reasonable documentation of your experiments. WTF?

I can only hope that your particular field of biology does not ever impact my own physical health... I don't want biologists who don't keep track of what they're doing to ever be within earth's surface of my own personal biology.

[bbsailor]

I'm a biologist, not an electrical engineer. Believe it or not, some of us are happy to make something that makes a noise and does the job rather than obsess over things that most people wouldn't notice the difference about anyway. A pickup is but one part of an entire instrument's worth of things that impart their own tonal signatures, and it might amaze some people that good tone often comes from a good player on what many would deem a terrible instrument. Like I said, I got my advice from what information I provided, I didn't think anything else needed to be added. Sorry to disturb you up there on your high horse Mr Turner

Stilts,

See this web link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Turner_(luthier)

[Rick Turner]

That's me...the ever cruel Simon Cowell of lutherie!

And actually I'm amazingly restrained these days, but every now and then...

Hey, you wankers, don't waste our time with this really stupid shit. I can hit a trash can with a stick and make a sound, and I can hold a magnet with a coil up to it and get something. Is it worth discussing here? Not unless I at least know the thickness of the steel trash can lid...Oh, I didn't note that down...unnh, the wire...I think it was 18 gauge zip cord. Or was it #10 Romex?

Sorry, but that's about the level that this thing started at and has come back to. "If it makes noise, it must be a pickup!" Wow!

There's more subtle stuff for us to discuss...I hope...

Just trying to live up to my Wiki page...

[big_teee]

Hey guys, can't we just let everyone do the forum at their own pace.
This is serious for some I know, but it is just a volunteer forum, and everyone should be able to learn and contribute at their own Level!
Peace and Tone,
T

[Rick Turner]

Hey, Tee, do you want intelligence here or lowest common denominator? The guy comes here asking for advice, and it turns out he has absolutely no idea of how many turns of what gauge wire he's wound to get to 1.8 K. Come on now. He's a biologist (hopefully) trained in some sort of "scientific method" of research. Would you want him to be responsible for DNA analysis of a sample of your bodily tissue?

I'm sorry but we should at least be able to hold fellow forum participants to some minimum level of documentation of whatever the fuck they've done if we're to be asked supposedly intelligent questions.

And, to be perfectly clear here, I do not see the OP's questions as being "intelligent", no matter whether the answers were spot on or off base.

I would certainly never go on a biology forum and ask a question with as little background information as is available these days on the Internet. There is absolutely no excuse for asking stupid and uninformed questions these days. It's intellectual laziness. And that abounds. And too few are ballsy enough to call it what it is.

I'm here to learn and to share what I have learned. Believe it or not, I'm humble in my ignorance. But I don't ask stupid questions for which the answers are available...if I've done my homework. And if I indeed ask a stupid question for which the answer should be obvious...if I asked it correctly elsewhere...then I'll take my chances here to be slapped up-side the head.

I have to say, there are fewer stupid questions here than on many other forums re. lutherie, etc. That's one of the reasons I come back here every now and then...this being one of the "nows". But I am eternally astounded by those who treat lutherie, pickup making, etc. as something that does not deserve the rigor that they (hopefully) apply to other areas in their lives.

Frankly, I'm not interested in people who are simply content with getting any old thing out of an undocumented coil of wire and a magnet. That wasn't even sufficient in 1935, and should not be so today.

Like I said, I can bang a trash can lid and get something in a coil with a magnet.

Is it musical?

Does it teach any of us anything?

Can't go too far wrong with a 100 K pot. And you probably don't give a shit about the taper. Oh, what's that? Do some homework...

[big_teee]

I hear what your saying, and I commend you on being more restrained.
Like the saying goes, you can catch more flies with Sugar, than Vinegar!
One more point and I'll leave you be.
Keep in mind, that the Forum trend has peaked, and all forums I've seen are fading some.
Facebook, and Twitter is robbing a lot of the action.
Two music stores in my town.
One chases all the kids out, the other invites them all in and lets them beat on stuff.
Guess which one is growing, and which one is in Decline!
Let's have more Fun!
Later,
T

[Rick Turner]

So I guess "fun" trumps "real" here, right?

Wow, I tapped on it, and it came through the amplifier! Gimme 5! Brillia-fucking-int!

This must be Lake Woebegone where all the children are above average...

If this distant from the center of the universe discussion forum can't deal with intellectual honesty in some of it's simplest forms, then we as a society are just fucked.

Sorry, but this guy could simply not get away in his professed field with the kind and quality of "information" given here...I hope...and if that does pass as the level given approval in "biology", then we're in deep shit.

Yeah, Kumbaya, my friends, Kumbaya...

Everything is everything, and we have to be vigilantly non-judgmental.

Not going for it. I have a Wiki reputation to uphold. Oh, and I'm not chicken shit to say what I happen to think is real :-)

[big_teee]

There should be room for some of all of it.
If not, then you end up with just a few engineers, and intellectuals.
I think tboy wants more than just a handful of intellectuals to maintain the forum head count.
That's just my 2 cents.
I'm going to bed.
T

[Stilts]

Rick, stop getting butthurt over people doing things differently and get a reality check. FYI I study non-anthropogenic biology because, as you've succinctly exhibited, humans tend to be less than admirable. I dare say this forum won't have much life left in it with such an attitude present. Thank you to those others that were generous enough to offer more constructive advice than childish bickering over a simple mistake

/thread if possible please mods