Tom Doyle PAF reproductions

[Rick Turner]

That would be the guy with the 1938 Martin D-18, right?

[big_teee]

That would be the guy with the 1938 Martin D-18, right?

What would one of those set me back? lol

[Rick Turner]

You can probably get one for about $35,000.00 to $45,000/00 or so, but...Martin makes a great clone in the D-18 Authentic for $6,749.00 list price. I played one at the Martin factory a few years ago, and it was a fantastic guitar and live up to its name very well.

[JGundry]

You can probably get one for about $35,000.00 to $45,000/00 or so, but...Martin makes a great clone in the D-18 Authentic for $6,749.00 list price. I played one at the Martin factory a few years ago, and it was a fantastic guitar and live up to its name very well.

Whew, $6,749.00, at least there is a cheap alternative to the original! I wish someone would offer a high quality USA made reproduction that would deliver the best of vintage P.A.F. tone at lets a 1/10 of the price of a vintage pair. Wait a minute... I do!

For the record I love my HD-28 I bought at least 15 years ago.

[JGundry]

Hello,
Has anyone tried these pickups. Supposed to be as close to the real deal as you can get.

Just thought I would mention that the winder Tom Doyle has from Gibson was used for P-90's and appears to still have the original Gibson P-90 fixture on it. Cool machine but all the evidence point to his machine as being one of at least a couple that Gibson had set up for P-90's in the 50's.

[big_teee]

So the Tom Doyle machine won't work to make a PAF Replica, because it wound P-90s?
John is that what your pointing out?
T

[JGundry]

So the Tom Doyle machine won't work to make a PAF Replica, because it wound P-90s?
John is that what your pointing out?
T

It depends upon whether or not you think the correct machine makes a difference in an accurate P.A.F. repro. I think it does but YMMV.

I don't think Tom Doyle knows this but the owner of the trademark PAF is very aggressive about enforcement of the word PAF. I speak from first hand knowledge.

[big_teee]

It depends upon whether or not you think the correct machine makes a difference in an accurate P.A.F. repro. I think it does but YMMV.

I don't think Tom Doyle knows this but the owner of the trademark PAF is very aggressive about enforcement of the word PAF. I speak from first hand knowledge.

No I personally don't.
If you wind it with a pencil sharpener, a drill a cnc machine or whatever?
All any of the machines can do is wind the wire around the bobbin.
Some do better than others, just whatever a guy is good with.
I personally like hand wound or actually hand guided pickups.
I don't see anything wrong with any method that works.
But, I think there are a lot of great pickup makers out there.
Like Musicians, one doesn't have to be better than the other guy.
They can all be good.
Personally I think most PAF bridge pickups sound to Sqauwkie to me.
If Tom can't make a PAF after hanging with LP 45 years, I don't figure which machine he uses is gonna make a hellofa Lot of difference!
Peace and Tone,
Keep Rocking,
B_T

[JGundry]

No I personally don't.
If you wind it with a pencil sharpener, a drill a cnc machine or whatever?
All any of the machines can do is wind the wire around the bobbin.
Some do better than others, just whatever a guy is good with.
I personally like hand wound or actually hand guided pickups.
I don't see anything wrong with any method that works.
But, I think there are a lot of great pickup makers out there.
Like Musicians, one doesn't have to be better than the other guy.
They can all be good.
Personally I think most PAF bridge pickups sound to Sqauwkie to me.
If Tom can't make a PAF after hanging with LP 45 years, I don't figure which machine he uses is gonna make a hellofa Lot of difference!
Peace and Tone,
Keep Rocking,
B_T

Got it you don't like most P.A.F.'s and you don't think the machine matters. Just a suggestion. Since real P.A.F.'s were wound on auto traverse machines you may want to at least use that one detail in as an essential attribute to all P.A.F.'s whether vintage or repro. You don't think the machine matters, but you prefer hand wound? I think for you, the machine does matter after all. It could just be you don't like any P.A.F.'s because they were and are all machine wound. And when I say machines I am excluding pencil sharpeners.

[big_teee]

I'm like You, I prefer what I have!
If I had a High dollar CNC Machine I'm sure I would prefer that.
I figure that You prefer what you have,
I know I'm not going to convince you of anything.
I'm also pretty sure You're not going to convince me that a Leesona winder is required to make a Fake PAF type reproduction pickup.
Pointing out that Tom Doyle doesn't use a Leesona, doesn't make his Fake PAFs any less Authentic than anyone elses Fake PAFs.
T

[WolfeMacleod]

They're all fake PAFs. And even a fake PAF, even one made down to the most minutae of details, can still sound like crap.

Or it can sound great.



in the right guitar, with the right hands, through the right amp.

[David Schwab]

The shootout IMO should be for best sounding Humbucker.

But "best" is subjective. One person's best is muddy to someone else, or too bright to another person.

I agree with you that you should make a pickup that you think sounds good. That's what I do.

Unless you are trying to match an existing sample of course.