1022 rod...

[NightWinder]

Carbon content can be misleading sometimes too. Check into the phospherous (danm spelling) and silicone content. Also the direction in the grain. Tight toleranced steels are usually very expensive

[Electricdaveyboy]

Help!

Hello,
I found some 1010 material here in germany but not in the right diameter.
I found it nice for slugs in the brige pickup but it was a bit too mellow for the neck humbucker.
I would like to buy some 1018/1022 material for slugs in the right diameter but McMaster is not shiiping to europe.Is anyone in the mood to help me out in this case and ship some plain steel to europe?
Thanks .

[pilotjones]

Again, just trying to learn here: what is driving the desire for a particular steel? Is it a known sucessful formula?

[pilotjones]

Carbon content can be misleading sometimes too. Check into the phospherous (danm spelling) and silicone content. Also the direction in the grain. Tight toleranced steels are usually very expensive

Those steels I listed, and all 10xx steels, all have the same phosphorus and silicon specs, which are a max. They can be anywhere from 0-.040 P and 0-.050 Si.

[John_H]

Sorry Dave; No luck on the 1022 3/16" at the supplier.
I've got a machinist buddy who is going to check stock at his work tonight. He said they might have some.

[Possum]

thanks John...

no luck here yet either, let me know what you find out...

[Possum]

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Well nobody is talking tight tolerance steel, cold drawn is all you need to know and I doubt any steel sales guy is going to talk grain structure with you, mostly they just to know "how many pounds" translated into english means how much money ya got kid? 1022 is the obvious next step up from 1018, I'm looking for other options for tone tweaking.

[SteikBacon]

Steel will be "polluted" as times go by. Not much, but suitable atoms will travel into steel. It´s the same effect when we make parts which is hard on the outside. The steel lies in carbon (or blown on by hot gass with carbon), and is heated to make the process faster. Many atoms can do this. I´m think softer steel will be more affected than hard steel.

Could this maybe affect the sound?

[EtLa]

I would like to buy some 1018/1022 material for slugs in the right diameter but McMaster is not shiiping to europe.Is anyone in the mood to help me out in this case and ship some plain steel to europe?
Thanks .

Ask any structural metal supplier. In Canada 12 feets of 3/16" dia. 1018 cold roll rod is around $1.50.

Dave next week I'll ask my supplier for c1022 3/16" cold roll rod. But there is not much a difference between c1018 and c1022.

C1018
Chemical Composition - Typical
Carbon (C) : .15 - .20
Manganese (Mn) : .60 - .90
Phosphorus (P) : .04 max
Sulphur (S) : .05 max

C1022
Chemical Composition Min. % Max. %
Carbon 0.16 0.24
Silicon 0.10 0.40
Manganese 0.70 1.40
Phosphorous 0 0.05
Sulphur 0 0.05

[Possum]

?????

There IS IS IS IS IS a DIFFERENCE between 1018 and 1022. A RADICAL difference you can immediately HEAR. Stop telling me there's not much difference I have pole screws in both and Ive already discussed the VERY noticeable difference in tone. Sure there's only a couple points of carbon difference so what? I have this stuff here and I use it, try it for yourself maybe then you'll "get" it. Sheeeesh.....if there was no difference why would I be looking for 1022, I already have piles of 1018 material in all the parts, I need to have one step further, 1022. Into the twightlight zone....

[David King]

Dave, while you are waiting for 1022, have you tried "music wire" aka piano wire yet?
It's available at any hobby shop. I don't know the exact carbon content but it's pretty tough stuff until you anneal it. It comes in 3 ft lengths, about $2.
ASTM 029 I think.
You can also try the annealed drill rod in oil and air hardening versions (O1, O2, A1 A2) while you are at it, also in 3' lengths, comes from any tooling supply place like Enco,/MSC or even Palm Abrasive. There's actually a small mill in town that specializes in tool steel, they have a showroom bin with odds and ends for sale. You might as well stay busy with what you can get easily. Sorry if this is all old news to you.

[David Schwab]

Isn't lower carbon steel more magnetic than higher (or easier to magnetize?)?

Has anyone tried soft iron poles?

[Possum]

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29 points of carbon is way too high. yeah the lower the carbon the more magnetic permeability it is but thats the other end of the tone spectrum. "Soft iron." OK, what IS soft iron? You can start a whole long thread on that one, soft iron is not a technical term. Seth Love said they used soft iron, well take it from me he had no clue what that alloy really was. Those old timers used terms like that to cover anything that wasn't tool steel and was cheap that they could get a deal on. Its probably THE reason PAFs sounded so different from eachother in radical ways. Soft iron could be anything from 1005 to 1022, thats a huge variance.

[David Schwab]

"Soft iron." OK, what IS soft iron? You can start a whole long thread on that one, soft iron is not a technical term. Seth Love said they used soft iron, well take it from me he had no clue what that alloy really was. Those old timers used terms like that to cover anything that wasn't tool steel and was cheap that they could get a deal on. Its probably THE reason PAFs sounded so different from eachother in radical ways. Soft iron could be anything from 1005 to 1022, thats a huge variance.

That's true. My guess is it would have to be cast iron or wrought iron, or something else with low carbon content. (Does anyone use pig iron for anything?) That's pretty much the only difference between iron and steel.

[Possum]

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you can't use wrought iron, Joe
Gwinn said something about that, I forgot why but there was a good reason for it. cast iron either. when you start getting into electrical low carbon iron you start talking expensive....