Tele neck pu question

[JCaudio]

Hello Pickup maker's forum.
This is my first post here.
Has anyone wound a tele neck pu with 44 AWG or have any thoughts how that might sound - compared to the usual 43 AWG?
John Collins

[Zhangliqun]

Hello Pickup maker's forum.
This is my first post here.
Has anyone wound a tele neck pu with 44 AWG or have any thoughts how that might sound - compared to the usual 43 AWG?
John Collins

If wound to the same DCR (e.g., 7.5k), it would sound a lot thinner because the coil would be smaller.

[JCaudio]

If wound to the same DCR (e.g., 7.5k), it would sound a lot thinner because the coil would be smaller.

Yes, but I was thinking of at least the stock 8000 turns - maybe up to 10000 - so the DCR would be higher than normal. The sound I'm guessing may have a little more mid range. I've got a spool of 44 AWG left from winding a pair of Rickenbacker Toasters - so I guess I'll try it and see.
John Collins

[GlennW]

I tried about 10 pickups at the neck on my Tele. Only one was a Tele neck pickup. The best thing I found (to me) was a '60s DeArmond silver foil which reads 9.42K; I think they're wound with 44, but the coil is short, about .2" iirc.

[Robert M. Martinelli]

effect of using AWG44 vs.AWG43

Well, if wound to the same DC resistance the inductance will be smaller ( and the output lower ) due to the smaller number of turns, the parasitic capacitance should also be somewhat lesser, so I expect the resonant peak to be higher while the Q factor smaller and thus the bandwidth to be somewhat larger ( slightly less character ).

If wound to the same number of turns you' ll have the same inductance, more or less the same parasitic capacitance, and a higher DC resistance due to the higher resistivity of the AWG44 wire, so I expect a resonant peak close to the original but with a lower Q ( less character ).

Keep in mind that inductance is proportional to the windings number squared, while parasitic capacitance is roughly proportional to the number of turns ( not considering the scatter vs. machine wound issue which changes the parasitic capacitance slightly ) and lastly the DC resistance actually is proportional to the windings ( provided that the winding tension has been kept constant ).

The resonant peak is determined by inductance and capacitance, while the Q factor, which affects the bandwidth, is determined also by the pickup's DC resistance.

Keep also in mind that properly modelling a pickup needs a "real life" approach,
so you have to keep into consideration the guitar cord capacitance, which has to be added to the total, being paralleled, say 40 pf/ft or 120 pf/mt. ( resistance and inductance are neglectable in short cords ) and the amp' s input circuitry.
Hope this helps
Bob

[Spence]

Hello Pickup maker's forum.
This is my first post here.
Has anyone wound a tele neck pu with 44 AWG or have any thoughts how that might sound - compared to the usual 43 AWG?
John Collins

They sound perfectly OK. Usually I only use 44 AWG when making a hot tele neck pickup though.

[SK66]

They sound perfectly OK. Usually I only use 44 AWG when making a hot tele neck pickup though.

+1
Use the stock number of turns. The narrower coil size helps adjust for the thinner wire. You won't notice much difference.

[David Schwab]

I tried about 10 pickups at the neck on my Tele. Only one was a Tele neck pickup. The best thing I found (to me) was a '60s DeArmond silver foil which reads 9.42K; I think they're wound with 44, but the coil is short, about .2" iirc.

I love those old DeArmond pickups. When I got married I foolishly got rid of an old Silvertone guitar that had two gold foils, only one worked, and the guitar was missing most of the parts, and the wife hates clutter. I had so much old guitar stuff though...

I should have kept the pickups.