completely clueless.

[David Schwab]

But saving wire in a cardboard box is not recycling; it's just using your house as a landfill. IMO.

Well what do you expect, we would bring several ounces of wire at a time to recycle? You recycle copper for money. You don't toss it in the municipal recycle bins! It doesn't go in a land fill either, that's not recycling. You want to save it up until you have enough. I have 16 pounds of scrap copper in that box. That won't even pay very much. That's taken me several years to accumulate.

[big_teee]

I don't ever have that much, but I have a Son, & Grandson that collects scrap metals to sell.
I give him what I have when He comes by.
If nothing else they can buy a fishing plug or two.
T

[rjb]

You want to save it up until you have enough. I have 16 pounds of scrap copper in that box....That's taken me several years to accumulate.

So, when do you think you'll have enough?
OK, sorry, I'm just yankin' your... wire.

[rjb]

I don't ever have that much, but I have a Son, & Grandson that collects scrap metals to sell.
I give him what I have when He comes by.
If nothing else they can buy a fishing plug or two.

Now, that sounds reasonable.

[SonnyW]

Remember Mrs Slocombe from that English show "Are you being served"

I see the resemblance now that you point it out. Some of it has that color like the pink hair.

[SonnyW]

Yea, we do. We even compost.
But saving wire in a cardboard box is not recycling; it's just using your house as a landfill. IMO.
And in the Boss's opinion, for sure. :^)

So what is the alternative to putting it in a box? .. Wait let me answer that .. Putting it in the trash. Which just goes into a real landfill. Which we need a lot less of stuff going into in this world IMO. And putting any usable amount of copper into the landfill is just wrong IMO. It is taking a tiny bit of a finite resource and putting it exactly in the number one place where it will probably never be used again ever, and making some of the least desirable real estate on earth bigger. The box takes up unused space under my bench, right next to the trash can. It is no more trouble to put it into the box than to put it into the trash right next to it, and eventually it will get recycled. The wire is so fine it is worth next to nothing as far as what the recycler will pay, but to me it is just the idea of it. Just my thinking on it.

[madialex]

LOL I have 3 boxes of wire like that. I have collected it over 11 years. I don't mean secrets as in how one may wind, I mean the little things that must be learned on how to change this or that. Like I said I have 3 boxes full of cut off wire from learning those little things and I wont be giving out any hard learned knowledge. Not trying to be secretive just real. All of us had to go this route and learn the hard way. Not at all trying to be mean. I have been here a very long time and there is a ton of information here. If you learn the hard way then you will discover all the little things that make a pickup work. You will then be able to read a post where all the info you are looking for is in there if you know how to read it and see it. I truly am trying to help not hurt. I have had bad information given to me and it sucked. There are those out there who will give wrong info trying to throw you off, none here but there has been and they are all gone now. So in a word, read everything and try it, you'll be better off in the end.

Oh and yes recycle the wire.

[copperheadroads]

LOL I have 3 boxes of wire like that. I have collected it over 11 years. I don't mean secrets as in how one may wind, I mean the little things that must be learned on how to change this or that. Like I said I have 3 boxes full of cut off wire from learning those little things and I wont be giving out any hard learned knowledge. Not trying to be secretive just real. All of us had to go this route and learn the hard way. Not at all trying to be mean. I have been here a very long time and there is a ton of information here. If you learn the hard way then you will discover all the little things that make a pickup work. You will then be able to read a post where all the info you are looking for is in there if you know how to read it and see it. I truly am trying to help not hurt. I have had bad information given to me and it sucked. There are those out there who will give wrong info trying to throw you off, none here but there has been and they are all gone now. So in a word, read everything and try it, you'll be better off in the end.

Oh and yes recycle the wire.

I'm gonna o green & start reusing all the old wire in my new "Splicebucker"
Being so labor intensive ,it will retail for about 2k a pup

[jmaf]

LOL I have 3 boxes of wire like that. I have collected it over 11 years. I don't mean secrets as in how one may wind, I mean the little things that must be learned on how to change this or that. Like I said I have 3 boxes full of cut off wire from learning those little things and I wont be giving out any hard learned knowledge. Not trying to be secretive just real. All of us had to go this route and learn the hard way. Not at all trying to be mean. I have been here a very long time and there is a ton of information here. If you learn the hard way then you will discover all the little things that make a pickup work. You will then be able to read a post where all the info you are looking for is in there if you know how to read it and see it. I truly am trying to help not hurt. I have had bad information given to me and it sucked. There are those out there who will give wrong info trying to throw you off, none here but there has been and they are all gone now. So in a word, read everything and try it, you'll be better off in the end.

Oh and yes recycle the wire.

That is one way to see it, and I respect the fact that you do it that way. What you describe is precisely how "native indian" educate their young ones. Indians don't tell their children all they know, they give them basics and let them go out and learn. When they grab a stick on fire and burn themselves, the older indians don't stop them before they get burned, they just explain it later why they were burned.

In terms of scientific development, indians didn't get very far using that educational system.

Another comparison would be to software development. Up until 1990 open source software was "communist" and in fact most open source idealists were sort of anarchist at heart. Then Linux arrived and companies like IBM and Red Hat made billions from it and used it to pressure other giants like Microsoft - then all of a sudden folks realized that not holding secrets was actually very profitable. Open source showed that people are more honest than dishonest, that people will give you credit for what you do.

If you keep your secrets to yourself, they die with you. If you spread them to honest people, then 20 years after you die someone somewhere will say "madialex taught me this 20 years ago and I'm still winding pickups this way". Or you can patent your secrets, that will also provide you credit for what you did but will make your secrets public, which drives progress and generates new ideas based on yours.

It's my way of seeing things in the year 2012. Again, I may be wrong.

[Steve Conner]

The year 2012 isn't vintage correct, though. Real PAFs have to be made in an ugly Cold War-era climate of secrecy and black propaganda.

[rjb]

I'm gonna o green & start reusing all the old wire in my new "Splicebucker"
Being so labor intensive ,it will retail for about 2k a pup

And worth every penny! $2000/10,000+ splices comes out to less than 20 cents a splice.
Do you have a waiting list?

[jmaf]

The year 2012 isn't vintage correct, though. Real PAFs have to be made in an ugly Cold War-era climate of secrecy and black propaganda.

I got curious one day and searched Youtube for Soviet music videos. I was surprised to find out that they had the hairspray, glam rock and sharp pointed floyd rose "super-strats". I bet they were OTK PAF's on those guitars
The Cold War was bizarre.

[tonequester]

tonequester here.jackass


You may be wrong jmaf, but I think that you've got a pretty good grip on the whole thing. tonequester.

Quote : "A jackass can tear a barn down, but it takes a carpenter to build one". LBJ.

[jmaf]

tonequester here.jackass


You may be wrong jmaf, but I think that you've got a pretty good grip on the whole thing. tonequester.

Quote : "A jackass can tear a barn down, but it takes a carpenter to build one". LBJ.

I'm pretty sure there's an extra jackass in there somewhere.

[SonnyW]

I'm pretty sure there's an extra jackass in there somewhere.

Looks like a typo to me. But he had a good quote. After all it is from someone who was probably one of the worlds great authorities on jackasses, and who would have been the first to tell you so.