Tele Bridge Pickup No Baseplate?

[big_teee]

Has anyone tried one of these without the baseplate.
http://www.mojotone.com/guitar-parts...-dia-magnets_2
If it would sound good, it would sure eliminate the microphonics issues of baseplates.
Not to mention it would cut the cost of the $4.5-$5.00 baseplate?
Fixing to order some mojo parts and wondered what others thought?
T

[Stratz]

I'm not sure of the original intent of the base plate , possibly for shielding purposes but a Tele bridge pickup without a base plate sounds brighter and a little less warm to me. Possibly louder although I've never done any scientific measurements on the difference in volume .

[big_teee]

I'm going to buy a couple of sets of these and experiment with them.
Fixing to buy a beater Lefty so I can experiment with them.
There is also the option to use the fiber inserts instead of rod magnets.
So you would end up with bar magnets on the bottom with pole screws.
Supposed to be an alternative to a P90, but it fits the Tele bridge, with pole screws.
The downside the fiber inserts are $1.49 each and it takes six of them.
Mojo Pickup Parts » 2115390 Mojotone Tele Bridge Flatwork Top and Bottom Set (for .187'' dia. magnets)
Mojo Pickup Parts » Mojotone Phenolic Standoff with 5/40 thread (.187" x .565")
That would be an interesting experiment, a P90 in a Tele Bridge? Hummm

[Stratz]

I'm going to buy a couple of sets of these and experiment with them.

The downside the fiber inserts are $1.49 each and it takes six of them.

Take a look HERE Terry. I didn't have time to look to see if they have 5-40 in the proper length but you can always drill, fill and/or cut something close to the proper size. They're sure cheaper than Mojo

[copperheadroads]

The intent of the bobbins made with smaller mounting holes to thread with #6-32 screws (like a strat)& to make steel pole pickups like this one that I made from scratch

I make a center core from wood or plexiglass ,I also have small holes in the fiber where the pole screws are for the threads to be threaded the full height of the coil through both top & bottom fiber & the core ,for more stability & prevent flaring
The fiber inserts are too costly for my liking , Stratz has a good Idea with the spacer ,but superglue don't stick to nylon ,so you might need something else or another type of glue

[ken]

I make all my own bases, some with small holes for 6-32 screws. I find players who play with high gain amps seem to buy these models.

The base plate on a Tele lead pickup seems to focus the magnetic field and also helps with hum control by shielding the bottom of the pickup somewhat.

ken

[big_teee]

The intent of the bobbins made with smaller mounting holes to thread with #6-32 screws (like a strat)& to make steel pole pickups like this one that I made from scratch
I make a center core from wood or plexiglass ,I also have small holes in the fiber where the pole screws are for the threads to be threaded the full height of the coil through both top & bottom fiber & the core ,for more stability & prevent flaring
The fiber inserts are too costly for my liking , Stratz has a good Idea with the spacer ,but superglue don't stick to nylon ,so you might need something else or another type of glue

Hey Copper where and what is the magnet on that pickup?
What does the bottom look like?
I was going to try two bar magnets on the bottom Like a P90.
I don't guess I would need a Keeper, just a magnet on each side of the screws?
I may try the regular parts from Mojo.
I think I can get enough at least to get my money back?
T

[Magnut]

I make a T90 as well. It's a great pickup. I also use a acrylic core. Just big enough for the screws. Mags are ceramic pushed up to the screws and epoxied in place. I use some metal inserts for the threads and carry a ground there as well just in case the bridge isn't grounded.

[big_teee]

I make a T90 as well. It's a great pickup. I also use a acrylic core. Just big enough for the screws. Mags are ceramic pushed up to the screws and epoxied in place. I use some metal inserts for the threads and carry a ground there as well just in case the bridge isn't grounded.

Very Nice T90, that's the term I've been looking for.
One magnet on the bottom or two?
Have you tried Alnico bar magnets?
T

[copperheadroads]

Hey Copper where and what is the magnet on that pickup?
What does the bottom look like?
I was going to try two bar magnets on the bottom Like a P90.
I don't guess I would need a Keeper, just a magnet on each side of the screws?
I may try the regular parts from Mojo.
I think I can get enough at least to get my money back?
T

You can use same magnets you use for strat blade pickups,one on each side of the poles like a p-90 & the spacer is optional,
You don't need it but if you insist you will have to make it yourself ,you wont find one readily available

[big_teee]

Magnut brought up an interesting point of another purpose of the Tele Bridge Baseplate.
With the start lead of the pickup grounded, and tied to the baseplate, this is usually the source for grounding the bridge and strings.
So on a Pickup without a baseplate, the ground has to be provided for from another source. Huumm!
T

[Justwannano]

Bill Lawrence didn't give me this...I can't remember where I got it. May be complete BS for all I know
but it seems to make sense to me.


Tele Bridge Base Plate Materials
There is quite some confusion about the Tele bridge base plate. everybody tries to explain the reason for this baseplate with only one function, but this baseplate has, in reality, 3 different functions:

A. Ferromagnetic functions

B. Electrodynamic functions

C. All metal plates provide extra shielding.

#1 — Only the steel baseplates corresponds to function A, B, and C.

#2 — Brass, copper and aluminum baseplates have no ferromagnetic functions, and therefore, only correspond to function B and C

#3 — Alloys of the 300 series stainless steels have neither ferromagnetic nor electrodynamic functions and therefore, only correspond to function C.


Brass Base Plate – notice that the base plate also serves as the ground for the bridge pickup.

Function A

Leo Fender used copper-plated steel baseplates on the Tele bridge pickup to stabilize and to increase the magnetic force of the relatively weaker Alnico 3 slugs. The ferromagnetic steel plate increases the inductance of the coil (like increasing the number of turns on the coil).

The steel baseplate also transmits from the steel bridge mount via the steel mounting screws some of the body vibrations into the pickup, resulting in that typical Tele twang. As a negative, this is also the cause of microphonic squealing at high volume levels.

Function B

Baseplates made of steel, copper, brass or aluminum are the cause of eddy current interference. Eddy currents shift the resonances toward the lows, resulting in a fatter, more pleasant tone, especially in the bridge position. If you don’t want to increase the inductance of the coil and the magnetic force of the magnets, aluminum and brass baseplates are ideal to fine tune the tone of single coil pickups.

These baseplates can be very effective on traditional single coil pickups with alnico slugs, but on many different designs, the result can be disastrous.

Also, the thickness of the baseplate is very important — if the plate is too thin, the effect is very little, but if the plate is too thick, you may end up with a muddy pickup. For excellent results, keep the thickness of the plate between 1/32” and 1/16” and make sure that the plate is firmly attached to the pickup.

Submitted by legendary pickup manufacture/inventor Bill Lawrence

[Sock Puppet]

I think you found it on here: Fender Telecaster® Electric Guitar Central -- No. 1 in the World

[Justwannano]

I think you found it on here: Fender Telecaster® Electric Guitar Central -- No. 1 in the World

That's probably right.
I like the plate to have it's own ground wire. If I'm working on a guitar with the ground as in the photo I'll cut it
from the base and run one.

[big_teee]

That's probably right.
I like the plate to have it's own ground wire. If I'm working on a guitar with the ground as in the photo I'll cut it
from the base and run one.

If your going to go to that much trouble, you might as well use insulated Shielded pair with ground.
I can't tell any adverse effect of just uing a pair, and the bridge is near the control cavity, so the leads are short.
If Noise is an issue, install a blade pickup, they are real quiet.