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  • SPN vs PE - solderability differences

    Is PE solderable like SPN, or should you sand off the insulation prior to soldering PE?
    Take Care,

    Jim. . .
    VA3DEF
    ____________________________________________________
    In the immortal words of Dr. Johnny Fever, “When everyone is out to get you, paranoid is just good thinking.”

  • #2
    PE is not normally solderable like SP, or HP.
    If your using it on a fender type pickup with eyelets?
    You can wrap the wire then hit a lick with fine sand paper, then solder.
    With a good hot quick solder it should do fine.
    I take it you got new wire?
    T
    "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
    Terry

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    • #3
      Originally posted by big_teee View Post
      PE is not normally solderable like SP, or HP.
      If your using it on a fender type pickup with eyelets?
      You can wrap the wire then hit a lick with fine sand paper, then solder.
      With a good hot quick solder it should do fine.
      I take it you got new wire?
      T
      New wire and a request to rewind a dead '74 Strat single coil.
      Take Care,

      Jim. . .
      VA3DEF
      ____________________________________________________
      In the immortal words of Dr. Johnny Fever, “When everyone is out to get you, paranoid is just good thinking.”

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      • #4
        Originally posted by kayakerca View Post
        New wire and a request to rewind a dead '74 Strat single coil.
        Good ole Grey bottom 74.
        I've rewound a few 74's myself.
        That year seemed to be the year they liked to die!
        Some of them had the poorly fitting magnets, and usually the flatword is badly warped.
        I rewound one that was warped so bad, I tore it all apart and soaked it in water, and left it in a vise overnight!
        The holes were so wallered out, thank goodness for Crazy Glue.
        I always recharged the magnets, when I rewound them, some guys leave them as is.
        When you get your PE, I'm curious what the OD is, in MM and inches.
        Thanks,
        T
        "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
        Terry

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        • #5
          Originally posted by big_teee View Post
          . . .
          I always recharged the magnets, when I rewound them, some guys leave them as is.
          T
          If he likes the quote, I'm thinking I'll make the charge consistent with the other 2 in the pickguard if it is significantly lower and if it's similar or higher, I'll just leave it alone.

          Originally posted by big_teee View Post
          . . .
          When you get your PE, I'm curious what the OD is, in MM and inches.
          Thanks,
          T
          Will do Terry.
          Take Care,

          Jim. . .
          VA3DEF
          ____________________________________________________
          In the immortal words of Dr. Johnny Fever, “When everyone is out to get you, paranoid is just good thinking.”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by big_teee View Post
            Some of them had the poorly fitting magnets, and usually the flatword is badly warped.
            I rewound one that was warped so bad, I tore it all apart and soaked it in water, and left it in a vise overnight!
            The holes were so wallered out, thank goodness for Crazy Glue.
            T
            Here's a '57 Tele bridge I was offered the opportunity to rewind, but passed at the current time until I become a little more experienced at it. The magnets are rusted right into the top formwork. I did measure the crap out of that dead puppy though! The customer removed the tape and broke the wire not me, but it was dead before that so based on all the rust, I'm guess the rust may have corroded the insulation next to the wire layers next to the magnets and shorted it out. Possibly.

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            He brought me in the bridge out of his '53 as well.
            Take Care,

            Jim. . .
            VA3DEF
            ____________________________________________________
            In the immortal words of Dr. Johnny Fever, “When everyone is out to get you, paranoid is just good thinking.”

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            • #7
              Yep, It's rotten. You might be able to save the baseplate.

              What's amazing is that it looked like that and still worked.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by big_teee View Post
                When you get your PE, I'm curious what the OD is, in MM and inches.
                Thanks,
                T
                I mic's 3 - 4 spots on the outside wind of 2 different rolls of Elektrisola AWG 42 PE min/nom. All but one measurement was pretty much bang on .0025" and one was just a tiny bit shy of .0026". None at the .0027 spec'd on the Remington site. But again, that's just off the outside layer.

                It may be thicker further into the spool so I'll put this .0025" stuff on the outside of my next wind.

                Now don't get all fired up and go off on a rant about this.
                Last edited by kayakerca; 07-01-2013, 11:49 PM.
                Take Care,

                Jim. . .
                VA3DEF
                ____________________________________________________
                In the immortal words of Dr. Johnny Fever, “When everyone is out to get you, paranoid is just good thinking.”

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                • #9
                  The spool should be marked in MM, like .068mm or .070mm?
                  No ranting today, I've got the wire I like! lol
                  My last roll that is marked .070mm red SP is a slice of Heaven!
                  "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
                  Terry

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by big_teee View Post
                    The spool should be marked in MM, like .068mm or .070mm?
                    No ranting today, I've got the wire I like! lol
                    My last roll that is marked .070mm red SP is a slice of Heaven!
                    There is no sizing references on these 1 lb. spools aside from the "AWG42"
                    Take Care,

                    Jim. . .
                    VA3DEF
                    ____________________________________________________
                    In the immortal words of Dr. Johnny Fever, “When everyone is out to get you, paranoid is just good thinking.”

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kayakerca View Post
                      There is no sizing references on these 1 lb. spools aside from the "AWG42"
                      Roger that Houston!
                      I bet it will be fine.
                      Enjoy.
                      T
                      "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
                      Terry

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by big_teee View Post
                        Roger that Houston!
                        I bet it will be fine.
                        Enjoy.
                        T
                        If it's not, can we trade? ? ?
                        Take Care,

                        Jim. . .
                        VA3DEF
                        ____________________________________________________
                        In the immortal words of Dr. Johnny Fever, “When everyone is out to get you, paranoid is just good thinking.”

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by big_teee View Post
                          PE is not normally solderable like SP, or HP.
                          If your using it on a fender type pickup with eyelets?
                          You can wrap the wire then hit a lick with fine sand paper, then solder.
                          With a good hot quick solder it should do fine.
                          I take it you got new wire?
                          T
                          Jim,

                          just a tip on PE. Make sure that you have a decent amount of wire to play with at the start of the coil. I've gone to sand the start wire (before wrapping the eyelet and soldering) only to be a bit "heavy handed" and break the wire leaving it short of the eyelet

                          My method now is to sand just the part of wire that will wrap around the eyelet... so only sanding a section about 12mm (1/2") away from the eyelet. (hope that makes sense)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lyrebird Steve View Post
                            Jim,

                            just a tip on PE. Make sure that you have a decent amount of wire to play with at the start of the coil. I've gone to sand the start wire (before wrapping the eyelet and soldering) only to be a bit "heavy handed" and break the wire leaving it short of the eyelet

                            My method now is to sand just the part of wire that will wrap around the eyelet... so only sanding a section about 12mm (1/2") away from the eyelet. (hope that makes sense)
                            I guess this confuses me a little. I always sand the PE, then wrap it through the eyelet without soldering quite a few times, then wind a few turns on by hand before starting to wind the coil. I sand about a two inch long section of the wire at the end. If I get too aggressive with the sanding, and the wire breaks at this stage (which does happen more often than I would like) it isn't a problem since the winding hasn't started yet. At the end of the coil, I do the same and if the wire breaks there because I am heavy handed with the sandpaper, I just unwind one turn and have plenty of wire. I don't solder in the leads until later. Also by the way, I have found that the light colored Norton 320 grit sandpaper that has 3X on the packet works a lot better than other kinds I have tried and it is less likely to break the wire.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SonnyW View Post
                              I guess this confuses me a little. I always sand the PE, then wrap it through the eyelet without soldering quite a few times, then wind a few turns on by hand before starting to wind the coil. I sand about a two inch long section of the wire at the end. If I get too aggressive with the sanding, and the wire breaks at this stage (which does happen more often than I would like) it isn't a problem since the winding hasn't started yet. At the end of the coil, I do the same and if the wire breaks there because I am heavy handed with the sandpaper, I just unwind one turn and have plenty of wire. I don't solder in the leads until later. Also by the way, I have found that the light colored Norton 320 grit sandpaper that has 3X on the packet works a lot better than other kinds I have tried and it is less likely to break the wire.
                              I don't have any of those problems.
                              But, then again I haven't used any PE or HFV on Single Coils in a couple of years!
                              Just poking fun, Sonny!
                              T
                              "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
                              Terry

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