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    I have four old CTS 12" speakers, with ferrite magnets from my Ampeg V4. They all had a nasty voice coil rub, even though the cones looked to be in great shape. I replaced the speakers with new ones in the V4, but wanted to try my hand at reconing the old speakers just for the heck of it. This is the procedure I used, but others with experience might do things differently, and I'm open to suggestions.

    1. Cut through the old cone with an exacto knife near the surround.
    2. Peel the spider glue joint away from the frame base so the spider is free.
    3. Clip the tinsel wire between the cone and the terminals.
    4. Pull the cone straight out with the voice coil and spider attached to it.
    5. Put a piece of duct tape over the front plate of the magnet structure to keep debris out of the voice coil gap.
    6. Use a utility knife to cut away the paper laminate gasket and a putty knife to scrape away most of the paper and glue remaining near the joint where the surround attached to the frame. Use acetone to soften and remove all remaining glue.
    7. Use acetone to remove glue residue from where the spider was attached to base.
    8. Clean voice coil gap with vacuum cleaner. Push a piece of masking tape down in the gap to remove any debris. If you have compressed air - use it.
    9. Make a shim to center the new voice coil radially in the gap. I used a 3x5" note card trimmed to size.
    10. Mark a line on the note card to set the height of the voice coil axially in the gap. I tried to center the voice coil windings in the magnet structure - I don't know if this is correct. The new voice coil was a little taller than the original VC.
    11. Dry fit the spider on the OD of the voice coil, set the height with the line on the shim. Draw a magic marker line on the base of the frame using the OD edge of the spider as a guide.
    12. Remove spider and voice coil as a unit. Put a bead of flue just inside the line drawn on the base. The glue is brown "elephant snot", not sure of the composition. Put spider, shim and VC back down on frame to glue the spider in place. Make sure voice coil wires are lined up with terminals on frame.
    13. Glue spider to voice coil with a bead of thick cyanoacrylate glue. I used a shot of accelerator to speed up the set.
    14. Wait a few hours for the elephant snot glue to cure so the spider is attached to the base.
    15. Dry fit the cone to the frame and voice coil. I had to trim the cone to open it up so it would fit over the OD of the voice coil. I used an exacto blade and sand paper on a dowel to trim to size. Clean the debris from the cone with vacuum and duct tape.
    16. Lay a bead of elephant snot glue around top of frame for the surround.
    17. Fit cone to frame and voice coil - press down on surround to glue it to frame.
    18. Lay a bead of cyanoacrylate glue on the joint of the cone to voice coil. The cone and spider are butted together at this joint. Give it a shot of accelerator.
    19. Drill two small holes through the cone for the tinsel wires. Solder the tinsel wires to the VC wire leads. Glue tinsel wire and VC lead wire to cone surface. I used flexible cyanoacrylate, but next time I'll try to get some rubber cement.
    20. Attach a piece of masking tape to the center of the dustcap to use as a handle. Apply a bead of CA glue to the edge of the dustcap and place it in the center of the cone. Add another bead of CA at the joint and hit it with some accelerator.
    21. Put a bead of Elmer's white glue on the paper laminate gasket and set in place on the speaker frame. Use another speaker on top to weight down the gasket until the glue sets.
    22. Solder the tinsel wires to the terminals on the frame. Leave some slack in the wires so that the cone is free to move.
    23. Let the glues cure for a day.
    24. Measure ohms at the terminals to verify you didn't screw up. I measured 5.8 ohms for a nominal 8 ohm VC.

    I drove down to Weber to pick up the speaker reconing supplies. They were nice enough to give me some of the CA and "elephant snot" glue. I used two different styles of cones. One was very light paper (around 12 grams) and the other was a good bit heavier and stiffer (around 18 grams). I also experimented with two different types of dust caps - one was the DCQ 1.8" diameter flat top paper dome, and the other was a DCP3 paper dome 3" diameter. I didn't use any speaker dope. The speakers work, but I can't say that I'm thrilled with the tone at high volume. The breakup distortion sound is a little harsh. I was surprised by how much the dustcap effects the tone. The large dustcap and heavy cone is my best sounding speaker at high volume.

    Some remaining questions. Where should the voice coil be fit axially for smooth breakup tone? I centered it in the magnet structure, but maybe it should be fitted so the top edge of the voice coil lines up with the top edge of the magnet structure? Would they smooth out the breakup? Would that clip one half of the wave form? Would that be a bad thing? The cones I used had an ID of 1.31" and required trimming to fit over the OD of the voice coil. Perhaps I bought the wrong cones and should have used cones with a 1.55" ID. I assumed that the cones aren't designed to sit on top of the voice coil with an edge of the cone sticking out in the center of the voice coil.

    Any advice or suggestions appreciated as far as optimizing tone during speaker reconing - especially on the selection of cone material, dustcaps, and voicecoil.

  • #2
    Let me start by saying that you did it *very* well, congratulations.
    I might modify a little some very small details, nothing basic.
    Referring to your own points:
    10) Good. Voice coils are usually at least slightly longer than the gap height. "Splitting" evenly the extra length is the way to go.
    13) I trust Epoxy much more than any cyanoacrilate, for guitar use. (abuse).
    Mind you, not "10 minutes" type but Industrial type, the one that takes overnight to dry at ambient temperature, I use an oven to cure it in 15/30 minutes.
    Anyway maybe that for home, one-off jobs, CA is the practical solution.
    14 to18) I try to mount everything "all at once", meaning within 5 minutes, with adhesives still fresh, so parts have certain "flexibility" and "set" one against the other.
    If you glue spider to VC and hours later cone to VC the last one can push down unnaturally the first part.
    Many speakers bond all 3 parts with the same bead of glue in the same operatiom, to save weight and getting better highs.
    Last but not least: nš 24 should be nš1 !!!. If you check *after* it may well be late.
    Anyway I repeat, your work was excellent.
    PS: voice coils always go through a hole in a cone, you can trim it to size with scissors.
    Juan Manuel Fahey

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    • #3
      Thanks JM for the helpful advice. I have one speaker remaining to recone, and I'll try to improve my technique. One thing that I think I did wrong was to get the voice coil a little too low in the magnet. I didn't realize at the time that the coil should be centered on the front plate. I did some measurements and the front plate is 5/16 inch and the voice coil is 3/8 inch. The VC former was taller than the original former, so I mounted it low in the gap in order to fit the dustcap over it. If I can't get a shorter former, my thought is to carefully trim the top of the former. I assume it's not a bad thing to do - as long as I don't cut the lead wires. I've worked with epoxy glue building model planes, so I'm familiar with the characteristics. To speed up the cure, you can also use a heat gun or hair dryer if it's more convenient than an oven. The only glue I'm not sure about is what to use for the tinsel wire and voice coil lead wire. It looks to be some sort of flexible rubbery glue that the manufacturers use. I'd like to find a chemical name (or brand name) for it and source.

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      • #4
        Yes, you can trim the VC former length, or use a larger dustcap which clears it..
        For the tinsel wire and voice coil lead wire most everybody uses the black rubbery stuff, or black carpenter's glue but I trust Epoxy much more than others.
        I *have* heat gun dried speakers for impatient clients.
        Juan Manuel Fahey

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        • #5
          Thanks again JM, I really appreciate the advice. It's so difficult to get good reliable info on speaker building technique. I stopped by a local amp repair shop who does recones, and he really didn't want to tell me anything. He was afraid I would steal his business. The funny thing is I brought my V4 in to a local music store a few years ago for repairs (weak reverb and loss of tone when warmed up), and they sent it to this same local amp repair shop. This guy did not fix the problems, although he charged me. I wound up taking the amp to another shop, who also didn't fix the problems. I was so frustrated (and stubborn), that I learned how to fix the amp myself. If not for the repair shop's incompetence, I never would have gotten started in the amp building hobby.

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          • #6
            Now I know why Eric Clapton stopped playing in his last Buenos Aires visit, as soon as he knew I was at the Stadium:
            He was afraid I would steal his business.

            I forgot: if you didn't yet throw away those old CTS voice coils, I'd love to see some close-up pictures.
            I am always interested in vintage construction techniques, in this case how it was wound, adhesives, any reinforcements, etc.
            The Alnico magnets, yokes, etc. too, maybe a gap closeup.
            Only if still possible, of course.
            TIA
            Juan Manuel Fahey

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            • #7
              OK JM, I'll shoot some pictures of the CTS parts. Unfortunately, the speakers use ferrite magnets.

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              • #8
                CTS 12" original cone, VC, and spider. Spider is large diameter, 5.5 inches. The assembly (VC + spider + surround dope + cone + small dustcap + glue) weighs 27 grams. The cone paper is 0.019 inches thick.

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                • #9
                  CTS VC and spider. Aluminum foil inside of VC. Glue appears to be clear epoxy.

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                  • #10
                    CTS cone, Weber dustcap flat dome paper. CTS cone is 22 ribs, double fold surround, and 1.5 inch VC diameter.
                    Speaker produced in 1972.

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                    • #11
                      CTS ferrite magnet and 5/16 inch thickness front plate.

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                        • #13
                          Lightweight Weber paper cone, model 12 Q/C (12 grams) + Weber VC and small diameter spider.

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                          • #14
                            Weber light cone and VC.

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                            • #15
                              Weber light cone and VC.

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