concerning theory : purely resistive circuits and frequency.

[Jazz P Bass]

Trying to follow this & the 'last post ever'.
Why is this guys panties in a wad?
Sheesh.
(He is really fortunate that SGM did not apply his rhetoric.)

[tonequester]

toinequesterhere.



For your information I don't were panties, do you ? What I do wear is not in any kind of "bunch" This much is for sure... you are a late comer to this post and if you are trying to upset me in anyway, forget it. I have plenty who respond thoughtfully to my posts. I haven't time for you, or your over-generlized, under-powered opinions. Also, evidently this SGM is the forum "enforcer"(un-official). If you intend to "sick" him on me now, It's just another
excuse to find a different way to learn and share. I don''t take to threats very well. Especially as I am covered by the American Disabilities Act of 1990. I have threatened nobody here or anywhere else. Don't want to be an a__, Don't want to be treated as an a__. As I told JM Fahey, I can';t make you mad, or upset.
Only you can alow yourself to BE mad or upset. I'm just trying to let this thing die, but it isn't working. now I'll turn to a strategy that I don't like but eventually works.The complete shut out of those who insist on being negative or insulting. tonequester. P.S. Your "dog isn't in this hunt", if you intend to
have this SGM contact me, he better do his homework. I have EVERYTHING in print. Debate dose not instill fear, and only by winning does one gain respect.

[J M Fahey]

Funny that you *claim*to google everything, even the most obscure things, if you *think* it may be serve you in a discussion you created .... but have not cared to google "panties in a wad".
Here, from:
Urban Dictionary: panties in a wad
1. panties in a wad

to get all upset over something trivial, as if one's underwear has rolled up into an uncomfortable ball between one's butt cheeks
-Cheri: "Did you see what he did to my iPod? I can't believe he put that song on there."
-Bobbi: "Oh don't get your panties in a wad over it, you can always take it off."

EDIT:

I'm just trying to let this thing die, but it isn't working.

No, you are not, you are doing your best to first, light a fire where there was none (nor there should be) and then add gasoline to it.

[km6xz]

I am truly sorry if you took my explanation as a put down. It was not intended or worded in such a way to convey that. You made some statements that a better understanding of the facts would have benefited from being detoured from an incorrect direction.

You probably do not care now but the whole thing came from misreading or believing information on the interest that is either wrong or intentionally misleading. When I said resistance is not frequency depended in its properties it is the plain fact, believe it or not. You present a non-equivilant situation, high frequency energy, to defend a point that you believe. The point was made about cross section, it is key and you ignore that. Equal cross section, total area of current flow, results in equal resistance for DC or 1Ghz. If one conductor is 1mm in effective cross section, and another is 10mm you will see a difference measured resistance but that does not change the fact that the same cross section will have the same resistance to per unit of equal area. The problem is you introduced a variable that has nothing to do with the property of resistance.

OK, ignore posts that are made with a bit of effort, that is your choice, but please preface your questions with " I only want a popular answer, not an accurate answer" so people who care about the craft will save themselves the frustration.

There are other factors in the hf bypass besides frequency dependent gain, it has to do also with your ears. Since you do not want a real explanation here, just look up Fletcher-Munson equal-loudness contours. Loudness and volume are different concepts and change how you perceive sound relative frequency content. If that cap was not there, turning down the volume would mean your perception would suggest the sound got duller, not just quieter.

There is more to good sound and good music than internet superficial myths claim. If wrong is good enough for you, that is fine, just don't expect the results to be as you hope.

[DrGonz78]

If Drew Barrymore or Jessica Alba asked me to put on some panties for some crazy wild night of partying, well of course I would.

Anyway this thread is actually rather interesting as it got me reading about something dealing with electronics that I would have never even thought of researching. Being new to learning about electronics these debates are exactly the best ways to learn some general concepts. I hope Tonequester that you see that this thread is not about you and is about the group here... You put your head on the chopping block and sometimes that can lead to confrontation if you allow that to take place. I am not saying to not defend yourself, but don't think anyone here is against you just because they don't agree. I know one thing and that is that I know nothing.

[tonequester]

tonequester.


JM. Are you red-faced ? Best check that B.P. I wouldn't want you to stroke out. You must be running out of "steam" for some reason, as now you are stealing othjers insults
to pour gas on the fire ! Honestly, Googling "panties in a wad"? You aren't even a talented muckracker. As I said before, I don't wear panties, and I'm the only one who could possibly know either way. So, that speculation is utterly wrong. You failed at the first definition.you also fail number two, because I'm not upset, nor have I been. Again, I'm the only one who could possibly know. Once again you have struck out, and in only two tries.Now that's an accomplishment in itself. Oh, here"s the third strike. You used the Urban dictionary to get the definition
you so very much desired. The Urban dictionary ? A man of science would have turned to Britannica at least. Maybe you should practice Googling more often, then you might not look such\a fool. You also have NO RIGHT, and NO PROOF to conclude that I am not trying to let this thing die. I did some dictionary work(and not on some cheap quality online dictionary), However, I decided not to play your adolescent GAME. Another good reason was that everytime I checked a definition which I felt suitable for you it was either utterly in bad taste, like yours was,
or it contained obscenities. Unlike you, I won't stoop to such a low level. Also, trivial IS an opinion, not a fact. Of course, you have already urinated on a number of those. Yor are "beyond"
facts. You are J M the MIGHTY. King of Argentina, probable Nobel candidate for all catagories(ecxcept Peace). You say I'm not putting an end to this, watch and learn.
NEVER again will I reply to ANYTHING that has JM Fahey attached. Find someone else to provide your perverted entertainment. If you can't find some other unfortunate on the forum.
Surely, somebody in Argentina will let you abuse them....for a goat, or perhaps a chicken. Best wishes with your personality disorder. Pass it along, that I AM ending this thing in just this manner. No useful information, any insults at all, no reply........except to say good- bye. Good-bye JM.

[tonequester]

tonequester here.


Greetings DrGonz78, I figured that you were a man of wisdom and integrity from your replies to my posts. For once, I was right. Please, believe when i say that if iI would have known that I was about to "put my nhead non the chopping block", I would have tried to do a better job in researching, and found a better way to express my original question in "that
post". I,ve made it profusely clear that I'm a beginner in the extreme, especially concerning theory. I will no longer reply to negative posts, except to put an end to those which attempt to
insult me. I am un-insultable, but I will tell anyone so inclined as to try...a permanent good-bye. There are plenty of forum members who like you, are not on some ego trip.
I find in every aspect nof life ther are those who try to inflate themselves by deflating others. The best way to "let the air out of them is to ignore them. I look forward to further coorespondence with you, and those like you sir. Thanks very much for the message. tonequester.

[Steve Conner]

Gentlemen, please un-wad your panties! Shorts, if you're offended by the concept of an all-American man wearing panties.

SGM is certainly not the forum's "enforcer". There are several moderators including Enzo, tboy and myself, who have the power to edit and delete other members' posts. We haven't had to use this on a real human (as opposed to an automated spambot) for as long as we can remember. The "disappearing posts" were not deliberately censored: they were simply thrown away by the forum software because they were entered in the wrong place. You can not make a post on the forum by replying to the notification e-mails.

Beginners have a talent for spotting the hard questions and asking them. The original questions on frequency-dependent resistance and treble bleed in guitars are quite subtle and will challenge anyone's understanding of electronics. JM suggests that it is the Thevenin resistance of the volume pot forming a low-pass filter with the guitar cord capacitance, however we just disproved that in another recent thread. What actually happens is that the series resistance introduced by the volume pot as it is turned down damps the resonant circuit formed by the pickup inductance and the cable capacitance, which is similar to what the guitar's tone pot does.

So, I suggest to tonequester that he opens a new thread in the Guitar Tech forum, clearly asking the specific question: "Why is there treble loss when the guitar volume is turned down?" Let's unwad that underwear and try again.

[tonequester]

tonequester here.


Greetings Steve. Glad to know about the disappearing post thing. as for re-wording the original question, I have already done just that, almost word for word as you stated.
I'll be interested to here this effect explained. I can understand some of what you say, but I haven't run across Thevenin resistance yet. If it forms a lownpass filter, I can grasp that. However, disproved later, I believe I'll let that "dog" lay. Now damping a resonant circuit caused by the interaction of inductance and capacitance at the pick-up sounds like something
I could study up on and stand a chance nof understanding. thanks for the lead, the explanation, and a shared desire to unwad that underwear. Have a great day Steve. tonequester.

[km6xz]

Juan, do you get the impression that we are witnessing a sad psychological breakdown or mental crisis occurring in words on our screens?

He even misspelled his own nickname in several posts. Whew....
I am always surprised when people using English as a second or third language are more familiar with common phrases, grammar and usage than many native speakers. Don't take it personally, after all this, he still has it wrong.
From reading this bizarre thread, I note that only one person has made an attempt to use personal attacks and insulting comments.....and it was not you.

[J M Fahey]

A comment on the use of Dictionaries.
There are *many* (surprise), some general purpose, some specialized.
For best results, the proper one must be chosen.

To begin with, "Britannica" is an Encyclopedia, not a Dictionary. Different thing.

For general purpose use searching proper British English words, one of the classic ones is recommended, can't go wrong with those made by the great Universities, Oxford or Cambridge. There are others, of course, such as Longman's.

From an American point of view, an American one may be better (duh !).

Although , say, Oxford or Longman have an American English section, you may be better served by, say, Merriam Webster.

Now, for popular, everyday speech and colloquialisms, it's better to go to a *specialized* dictionary.

In British English, you should refer to some Slang Dictionary.
Cool, but not much use in the US, since Slang is regional by definition.

So, which would be the best slang/colloquialism/urban speech Dictionary in the US?
The one that pops up consistently ahead of the pack is... Urban Dictionary !!!

[Steve Conner]

Urban Dictionary is such a high-quality reputable source that it's blocked by my workplace's web filter. :-O

[J M Fahey]

Well, it *does* contain a few 4 lettered words!!!
That's why it's "Urban". Everyday casual speech.
Funny it was rated among the best 50 Web sites in the World by none less than Time Magazine
Urban Dictionary - 50 Best Websites 2008 - TIME
And what do they say about it?

Forget about learning Spanish or Chinese. The language you really need to know to keep up — in the U.S. anyway — is street lingo. To stay hip, visit Urban Dictionary, which has millions of user-submitted words and definitions.

They even have a special section to help Parents understand what their Kids are talking about.
Not bad, huh?

To translate your kids' geek speak, check out the Internet Slang Dictionary & Translator, which includes the top 25 slang words that parents should know and a quiz to find out if you're clt (cool like that).

[sgelectric]

As usual, km6xz gets it right....We are indeed witnessing a sad psychological breakdown.
In tonequester's profile he states that he suffers from bi-polar disorder.At the time of that statement he said it was under control.
What we are seeing is a breakdown of that control, manifested in a classic manic phase, complete with obsessive behavior,persecution fantasies,paranoia,grandiose delusions,graphomania, anxiety etc.....I imagine it's been quite a while since he's slept.
One can only hope that he avails himself of the medical/psychological help that he needs.
The man is suffering from a serious mental illness...Compassion and understanding should be the order of the day.
To further engage him on the issues of this thread only exacerbates an already bad situation.
SG

[J M Fahey]

As usual, km6xz gets it right....We are indeed witnessing a sad psychological breakdown.
In tonequester's profile he states that he suffers from bi-polar disorder.At the time of that statement he said it was under control.
What we are seeing is a breakdown of that control, manifested in a classic manic phase, complete with obsessive behavior,persecution fantasies,paranoia,grandiose delusions,graphomania, anxiety etc.....I imagine it's been quite a while since he's slept.
One can only hope that he avails himself of the medical/psychological help that he needs.
The man is suffering from a serious mental illness...Compassion and understanding should be the order of the day.
To further engage him on the issues of this thread only exacerbates an already bad situation.
SG

Sorry tonequester, didn't know.
All my answers were always in good faith (as you'll notice some day) , same as answers by *all* others.
And the idea was always (sorry for repeating) to help you get the sound you dream about, which *includes* (to be fair) correcting any visible misconception you might seem to have.
Hope you feel well soon, and achieve your sound goals.
Keep in touch, remember you have a bunch of good friends here.
And please forgive friends for being a little rough sometimes, that's how friends are !!
Good luck.