speaker suggestion

[rocket]

How does the celestion classic lead (80W) compare to the more vintage speakers as the G12H and G12M, and the Vintage30?
Is it suitable for an open 1x12 cabinet and a small amp (deluxe etc)?

[Bruce / Mission Amps]

Yes I've bought and used about 18 of them now after hearing the first one or two.
They are not quite as sensitive (or loud under exact same conditions) as a real Celestion Bull Dog. Maybe not quite as good, but they still sound excellent.
The price has crept up on them now at around $150.00 each, but a while back, they were an absolute GREAT deal at around $117.00 to $125.00 each and I wish I would have bought a gross of them.
For my taste, I think they sound just a bit better then the Tone Tubby speakers that I have heard, which had a very slightly darker sound to me... not as much upper freq bite for my old ears.
I think they are as good as the $175 Weber, 30 watt P12B Blue Dog, (another excellent speaker) and the Red Fang seems to handle more power then the 30 watt Weber .... all with no ghost notes, cone cry or edge yowl.
My personal 5E3 Deluxe has a Weber Blue Dog P12B in it and I have two 16 ohm Red Fangs, wired in parallel, installed in an old VOX 2x12 cabinet for a refurbed vintage VOX AC50. That combination takes names and totally kicks ass!!

[TD_Madden]

Anyone tried North Coast Music's "Black Dog" speakers? Supposedly a ceramic take on the Bulldogs....

[bob p]

My personal 5E3 Deluxe has a Weber Blue Dog P12B in it and I have two 16 ohm Red Fangs, wired in parallel, installed in an old VOX 2x12 cabinet for a refurbed vintage VOX AC50. That combination takes names and totally kicks ass!!

Thanks for your experience, Bruce. I have been thinking about doing something very similar. I have a pair of the 16-ohm 15-watt Celestions in parallel in a 2x12 cab at 8-oms and I'm always afraid of blowing them up. I'd like more power handling, but I think it would be a bit ridiculous to move to a 4x12 setup just to get 60-watts of power handling. I had thought about trying a 3x12 setup by adding an 8-ohm 30-watt Red Fang to create a 4-ohm load. From what you've said, it sounds like it would be worth trying.

[Steve A.]

Just my opinion but the finest sounding Deluxe Reverb amps I've heard, frequently have reissue Celestion G12H30s in them.
Just a great speaker.
A second choice would be the MOJO BV30H, which is an American made speaker using the same basket and Kurt-Mueller cone that Celestion uses in the G12H30 but I'm told the voice coil is wound here in the USA.
And, like I said, it is built here in the USA on the East Coast.
The WeberVST 12F150 is a very good speaker too but it has been my experience WeberVST speakers take quite a while to loosen up and blossom, especially when used in a 20 watt amp like a Deluxe Reverb... the MOJO BV30H sounds great right out of the box and hard to beat for $83.00.

I was just checking the Mojo site and it looks like that speaker is available only in 16 ohms- is that true? So have you tried any of the other Mojo speakers... just wondering what you thought about them.

Fender has been using the Jensen C12K speaker for the past few years in their DRRI's and it seems to work a lot better than the C12N's that were used previously (and were generally thought to be too bright). I took the C12K out of mine and put in a Jenson P12Q, which I like for the cleaner blues tones, but all of the speakers mentioned in this thread sound tempting! LOL

Steve Ahola

[Bruce / Mission Amps]

I have bought and used dozens of the BV-30H and the BV-30V in 8 ohms so I know they have them made in both zeds.

You must have just skipped over or missed them.

http://www.mojomusicalsupply.com/ite...004&id=9911210

[Chris / CMW amps]

A buddy (with too much $ ) did compare the Celestion Blue and Gold and the differences were very small according to him. Want to compare them myself too...

[Steve A.]

I have bought and used dozens of the BV-30H and the BV-30V in 8 ohms so I know they have them made in both zeds.

You must have just skipped over or missed them.

http://www.mojomusicalsupply.com/ite...004&id=9911210

Bruce:

I guess my eyes must be going out in my old age... I *thought* I looked at all 30 entries on their speaker page, but I guess I missed that one! So what applications do you recommend the BV-30V for? Would that be like a Vintage 30? How about their BV-25M?

Thanks!

Steve Ahola

P.S. So is there some order to the Mojotone listings? They don't seem to be sorted alphabetically, or by stock number or by price... (I just dl'd their catalog- much better...)

[bob p]

A buddy (with too much $ ) did compare the Celestion Blue and Gold and the differences were very small according to him. Want to compare them myself too...

I'd be interested in hearing the difference in person, as all I've been able to read so far have been third-hand reports.

I'm a little bit surprised that anyone could pronounce a brand-new Gold as sounding very much like a Blue with so little time having passed since the
Gold's introduction. Golds have only been out around here for a couple of weeks, and its hard to imagine that anyone could have already broken one in well enough to have formed a meaningful opinion on it.

By any chance was your friend comparing the new Golds to new Blues or the new Golds to older, broken-in Blues? IME new speakers all sound harsh and bright, and in the first case it would seem kind of pointless to form an opinion comparing two different models that are both brand new. I guess it would also be difficult to compare a new Gold to an old Blue. So I guess I'm going to take the opinions I read with a grain of salt until I can get my ears on some good specimens for A/B comparison.

Either way, if your buddy can offer more info, I'd love to hear more.

[Chris / CMW amps]

I'd be interested in hearing the difference in person, as all I've been able to read so far have been third-hand reports.

I'm a little bit surprised that anyone could pronounce a brand-new Gold as sounding very much like a Blue with so little time having passed since the
Gold's introduction. Golds have only been out around here for a couple of weeks, and its hard to imagine that anyone could have already broken one in well enough to have formed a meaningful opinion on it.

By any chance was your friend comparing the new Golds to new Blues or the new Golds to older, broken-in Blues? IME new speakers all sound harsh and bright, and in the first case it would seem kind of pointless to form an opinion comparing two different models that are both brand new. I guess it would also be difficult to compare a new Gold to an old Blue. So I guess I'm going to take the opinions I read with a grain of salt until I can get my ears on some good specimens for A/B comparison.

Either way, if your buddy can offer more info, I'd love to hear more.

Both bought at the same time, you can get the Gold over here in western Europe since about two months...

[Manic]

I recently scored a 1968-69 band master for $350 . The reason for the big grin is that the 212 closed back cab is loaded JBL D120f's. It's been sitting in a guys basement for 30 years, untouched.
Ive been lookin for speakers to put in My 5E3x2. So I tried the JBL's. OMG!
I was absolutely FLOORED. I believe My speaker search is over. It has soooo much life to its tone. I do play country music, so I was in the market for a speaker that shines on clean tones. I use a Keeley comp, actualy I live on My keeley...hard for me to turn it off at gigs, but after the JBL was installed I can plug straight into My amp, and I love it.

I was telling a good friend of mine about this JBL and how much I was lovin it.
I noticed when the JBL brakes up it doesnt sound that great. it gets a weird zingy sound. Before I could mention that it sounds zingy , He comented on the same thing. Then He said there is a alnico Altec that might even be better than the JBL, because it doesnt do that zingy thing.

He cant recall the model, So I was wondering if anyone here knows which Altec He might be referring to ?

[Manic]

Update, once again, the ole sounds great at the house but didnt pan out at the gig sydrome strikes again.

[Jammin'John]

Weber

Well a Deluxe Reverb would have had an Oxford 12K5-6 or Jensen P12R, C12R, C12Q

Probably a weber 12a100,12f100,12a125,or 12f125 would be nearest the original sound.
A 12F150 is still the american sound but a lot fuller & fatter.
GREAT speaker. I have one in a 5E3.

Ive tried many in my Brown Deluxe and the 30w ceramic Silver Bell realy hangs with a band.
I liked it better than the Blue Dog 'cause it's got more bottom and there's no EQ,just tone,on my amp.
http://taweber.powweb.com/weber/silver12f.htm
The 1230-55 is a very cool speaker also.
http://taweber.powweb.com/weber/1230-55f.htm
Not as tight bottom as the Silver though.

JJ

[GlennW]

He cant recall the model, So I was wondering if anyone here knows which Altec He might be referring to ?

Probably 417. They're heavy. (I know it's been a while...I was searching stuff.)

[KingCameron]

Celestion vs. Jensen vs. Weber

I have 12inch variations of Celestion, Jensen and Weber and frequently try different amps with different speaker combos...my buddies love playing this game when we jam

I personally feel like the following:

Jensens - Bell chimy and bright - very nice reverby clean sound...better when not driving the crap out of them..these speakers are great too...its just the application...lets give them their creds..

Celestions - handle distortion better than Jensens - tighter and bigger mids - my vote probably goes here...they can handle more amp and be dynamic (clean and dirty)

Webers - very quality speaker - I have external cabinets with webers in them and often find that amps loose some of their brightness and gain strength in the mids- they are warmer than Jensens and handle a bigger amp better...but...

Speakers - amps driving them - the size of the rooms they are played in - the volume level you are comfortable at - all change everything about the actual tone - If you're gigging the amp, go with Celestions.
If you're smaller room playing the amp - go with Webers or Jensens...although there is room for argument here..

I will also say the greatest tone I've heard from an amp was with JBL Orange-backs. But, those are extremely hard to find, and expensive when you do.