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    Here's an interesting problem. I built a little drop-in FX loop unit for a Fender Blues Jr based on what was in the Blues Deluxe: a TL072-buffered serial loop that is bypassed when nothing is in the return jack. Here's the relevant part of the Blues Deluxe schem, which I duplicated in my build:

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    It's well balanced and quiet except for one problem. When the amp is first turned on, it's fine, with the fx loop connected to a patch from in to out it's also fine, however when I then unplug everything from the loop it gets this faint background squealing noise- like a parasitic oscillation- that won't go away unless I power down the amp completely (to drain the +/-15V supply, presumably). Moving the FX loop around changes the pitch of the squeal. The two leads to the unit are both shielded - a double core lead for the send and return with the shield as the loop's ground connection and a 2nd lead with the core to the +15V rail and the shielding to the -15V.

    Why would it only have this problem once something is plugged in and then unplugged? I have two identical units in two amps which are both doing the same thing so it's not a faulty switch in the return jack. I've tried moving both the 15V and send/return lines around while the squeal is going but it doesn't really go away- it just changes pitch. If I plug a patch cable in, it goes away but immediately comes back when unplugged again. It's almost as if part of the TL072 is not turning off...?

  • #2
    Hi,
    I assume you have supplied the small drop-in unit using the amp's internal +/- 15 V rails...if so, I suggest you to throw in two .1 uF "poly" or ceramic decoupling capacitors, one between pin 4 (-V) and ground, the other between pin 8 (+V) and ground.

    Another thing I would do (only as an improvement, it has nothing to do with your problem) is to use an NE5532, because of its lower NF. It draws slightly more current than a 072, but in this case this is not an issue.

    Hope this helps

    Best regards

    Bob
    Hoc unum scio: me nihil scire.

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    • #3
      I don't get it. From the schematic, it looks as if the op-amp's feedback loop is broken by the jack switches. That could certainly make it squeal when the plug was removed, if you wired the jack socket wrong or used a jack with a different switching scheme to the OEM part.
      "Enzo, I see that you replied parasitic oscillations. Is that a hypothesis? Or is that your amazing metal band I should check out?"

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      • #4
        Yeah, that's my suspicion now. I'm 99% sure the switching scheme is the same but I'm wondering if I didn't stuff up the wiring somewhere. I tried Bob's suggestion of the 0.1uf's to ground on both sides of the 15V but it didn't make a difference. I was checking other parts of the circuit for AC when I noticed that connecting the jack side of the 10k resistor to ground with a 0.1u cap rid got rid of the squeal, but it *didn't* get rid of the signal when the send + return were jumpered with a patch cable. If pin 2 is the tip of the return jack connected to the 10k, the cap to ground should bleed off the whole 400Hz test signal I was using.

        Too late for today, but I'll give it a good look tomorrow to see if something isn't hooked up right.

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        • #5
          Well, it turns out when I cleaned up the speckly schematic scan from the Blues Deluxe, I missed a connection. The feedback loop on the 'B' (recovery) side of the TL072 should NOT be broken when unplugged. I jumpered pin 6 and 9 on the output jack and that cleared it up. Works great now, although there's just the slightest bit of insertion loss. I might reduce the 1M on the voltage divider of the input end to see if I can balance it out a bit more.

          Also, would the 47pF cap on the output be there to cancel out some treble? The loop seems to lack a bit of sparkle that is there otherwise. Not sure if that's the issue or the 1M input resistor needs a treble bleed cap with a series resistor? Or maybe I'm just imagining things...

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          • #6
            Yep, dropping the 1M to 660k seemed to get things to unity. 500k was too much. Not sure if the treble loss is still there or not yet.

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