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  • #31
    2 suggestions (I am also an irrepressible bargain hunter and *always* buy the cheapest iron I can find )

    1) have already met poorly designed, way too hot irons, tame it with a diode in series (an 1N4007 works fine).

    In fact I have a dedicated outlet with a switch in series with the hot pin and a diode across it, so it's FULL/HALF .

    The original idea was to keep the iron preheated between jobs, but later I found some nervous ones did solder quite well on the HALF position, flipping them on FULL for pot body soldering and such.

    Try it.

    2) that factory probably used chrome or nickel plating with a formula more suited to *decorative* surfaces than soldering iron tips.

    Maybe the clueless plater gave it a "passivating" bath, excellent against ambient humidity or a saline atmosphere (I use it myself on my speaker frames, excellent bright, shiny and durable finish) bit probably too tough for mild deoxidant rosin.

    *IF* you have some available (drain pipe cleaner) submerge in it the suspect tips , just the 3/8" inch conical tip section you want tinned, wait a minute (should be more than enough) and rinse it well in running tap water.

    The idea is to "eat" just the thinnest amount of coating, leaving most behind for protection.

    Then tin as I suggested earlier, starting from cold.

    It *should* work.

    FWIW once no Long Life tips were available (one of our Trade Crisis) so I bought one meter of 5 mm Brass rod (same diameter as the *real* tips).

    My homemade tips worked like a charm and lasted a lot.

    The usual pure copper tip dissolves in liquid tin ... but brass is already *saturated* in it, so it goes on much slower.

    Long life tips are often covered in iron (check it with a magnet) which is then plated and tinned.

    A complex process, some friends got into it (making replacement tips when no originals available) and failed, had lots of stuff back.
    Juan Manuel Fahey

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    • #32
      Are you using non-lead solder instead of leaded solder? Non-lead solder will ball up on the tip like that unless everything is clean, the proper amount of flux is used, and the temperature is 'just' right. I hate the stuff. Maybe they have some non-lead stuff on the tips you have been getting?

      Greg

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      • #33
        Originally posted by soundmasterg View Post
        Are you using non-lead solder instead of leaded solder? Non-lead solder will ball up on the tip like that unless everything is clean, the proper amount of flux is used, and the temperature is 'just' right. I hate the stuff. Maybe they have some non-lead stuff on the tips you have been getting?

        Greg
        Well, yes of course I do use lead-free.. but now Mr Fahey's suggested scratch-down-to-copper means solder will flow silky quick Im less looking at the solder as any cause, albeit its v bog std stuff (but has done me perfectly well for yrs w'out 'balling'). Besides, I dont like the idea of fumes with lead in going into my frontice-piece.. this issue has meant Ive inhaled way too much already my ear-hair has sprouted rather alarmingly as a result.

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        • #34
          Juan-

          Can you run me through the diode idea again? I was thinking surely there might be a way of taming the tips heat a bit. Whether thats a resisitor somewhere, or if/ as you say a diode the idea. Where would this be placed?

          And as I can only think of a diode as channeling current in one direction(I think thats the basic premise) how would it limit the voltage, or current, to therefore reduce the heat?

          thanks, S Chief

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Sea Chief View Post
            But I just have.
            Thing is JP they're all 'crap' arent they/ all made in china even expensive ones I bet are still crap and chinese too.
            The quality of Chinese-made products varies widely, and that's an understatement.
            Reputable brands now have "economy" product ranges, invariably manufactured in China, and usually excellent value for money. But there are a lot of Chinese "no-name" products that are barely fit for purpose.

            I don't know if Weller has its products made in China now, but I can still buy replacement tips for my TCP and they are still excellent and very long lasting. And pricey. But I bet I spend less money on replacement tips than those who use cheaper irons.
            Tbh Ive had no problem at all for 10 years with crap chinese irons!
            Some work fairly well, others look like a solder iron and one end gets hot when you plug it in but that's about it

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            • #36
              Can you run me through the diode idea again?
              This is an old trick. If you power a heater with AC, you can have it work at half the power by connecting it to the supply through a series diode. This works because with AC, the current flows alternately in both directions and the diode blocks the current in one direction, therefore current flows only half of the time and consequently power is halved as well. Bridge the diode with a switch, and when you close the switch you're back to full power.

              I once had an iron marketed by Philips (but I've seen it also under other brand names) which had the diode built in, and a conveniently placed microswitch in the handle. It worked quite well.

              The point is that most non temperature controlled irons tend to run hot when idle. Running the iron at half power mitigates this, and the iron may still be hot enough to solder small parts without needing full power. When you need to solder a fat speaker wire, you go back to full power.

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              • #37
                Further reading for those interested.
                Attached Files

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                • #38
                  It’s most likely getting too hot as most non temperature controlled irons do. The iron will be 230V to operate on the ‘harmonised’ European standard voltage but Sea Chief is in the UK if I remember correctly where the voltage is 240V and closer to 250V at my house. Before harmonisation the voltage in mainland Europe was 220V and in UK it was 240V. After harmonisation the mainland voltage is 220V and the UK voltage 240V. Yes, it’s exactly the same! They just fudged the numbers to make the new harmonised standard voltage 230V +/-10% which covers both 220V and 240V. Only in the EU, we actually pay people in Brussels to come up with these BS ’standards’.

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                  • #39
                    Chief, you've got to be the only guy who would actually choose lead-free solder .
                    No offence intended, but have you spent much time using leaded? The difference to me is insurmountable.
                    I'm actually re-thinking your Crate issue. Sometimes old/oxidized component leads will not let lead free stick.
                    There are inexpensive solder fume extractors available, some even with solder irons.
                    Fume Extractor with Iron | Rapid Online
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                    Smoke Absorber Fume Extractor for ESD Soldering Solder Flux + 5 Carbon Filter on eBay!
                    Originally posted by Enzo
                    I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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                    • #40
                      ...and note that the fumes are from the flux. Not vaporized lead.

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                      • #41
                        Anyone have guidelines as per temperature and "dwell" time when soldering various components to avoid damage?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Sea Chief View Post
                          Well, yes of course I do use lead-free..
                          "Of course"? Do you live in a place where it's legal for you to use tin lead? If so, use it. Lead free solder is a major problem. It is remarkably less forgiving than tin-lead. Conditions must be much more perfect for lead-free. I have seen this *professionally* in that the factories that make stuff for us took about six months to get lead-free running right in their professionally maintained wave soldering setups.
                          Originally posted by Sea Chief View Post
                          Besides, I dont like the idea of fumes with lead in going into my frontice-piece.. this issue has meant Ive inhaled way too much already my ear-hair has sprouted rather alarmingly as a result.
                          Soldering is not hot enough to boil lead fumes off in any measurable way, so you can quit worrying about the idea of fumes with lead going anywhere. The reason soldering fumes are a worry is that the flux fumes are an irritant to the breathing passage ways.

                          Is the thing about ear hair and lead a joke?
                          Amazing!! Who would ever have guessed that someone who villified the evil rich people would begin happily accepting their millions in speaking fees!

                          Oh, wait! That sounds familiar, somehow.

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                          • #43
                            Lead free solder takes a much higher tip temperature to melt it.
                            Just saying.
                            Link: Lead-Free Soldering Tips and Tricks
                            Link: http://www.smta.org/chapters/files/s...al.4.19.06.pdf

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by fredcapo View Post
                              Anyone have guidelines as per temperature and "dwell" time when soldering various components to avoid damage?
                              Most ICs and SMD components have a recommended solder-wave heating profile that shows a several-seconds preheat, then less than about 3 seconds over solder-melt temp, and a cooling rate after that. Not much help with leaded components as in tube amps, though.
                              Amazing!! Who would ever have guessed that someone who villified the evil rich people would begin happily accepting their millions in speaking fees!

                              Oh, wait! That sounds familiar, somehow.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by fredcapo View Post
                                Anyone have guidelines as per temperature and "dwell" time when soldering various components to avoid damage?
                                To misquote the mechanical guys here where I work, "Heat it until just until it sounds (smells) expensive, then back off a bit".
                                If it still won't get loud enough, it's probably broken. - Steve Conner
                                If the thing works, stop fixing it. - Enzo
                                We need more chaos in music, in art... I'm here to make it. - Justin Thomas
                                MANY things in human experience can be easily differentiated, yet *impossible* to express as a measurement. - Juan Fahey

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