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[km6xz]

Magnavox? No, Motorola, later Matsushita

[bsco]

[QUOTE=Enzo;337041]Not the REAL ZZ Top, All ZZ Top now Chinese.



Real ZZ Top worked for Magnavox.

Hahahahahaaaaaa................funny................

[km6xz]

All this talk of "real SVT's" is boring. The real "real SVT's" used 6146s and regularly blew up.

[bsco]

All this talk of "real SVT's" is boring. The real "real SVT's" used 6146s and regularly blew up.

I seen schematics with those tubes listed...figured that they were older but didn't know by how much........I don't see many of these Ampegs but the few that I have seen use 6550's....I had only posted a question about the unit I had to repair...then all of a sudden, the bell rang, the gloves came off and all hell broke loose...I wouldn't want to ask anything about the guidance system in the nose cone of a rocket...god only knows what would happen...

[soundguruman]

Just watched a ZZ Top concert...DDL.......guess what they are using for amps????? CRATE!!!!!!!

Manufacturers will sell at cost, or give equipment to bands, for promotional purpose.
Many bands will use this, to protect their "nice" Dumble Marshalls from being trashed on the tour....

Even Randy Bachmen / Bellamy was playing Peaveys when I saw them in New Orleans...

This is a win win for band and manufacturer promotion.

But you can be sure ZZ has some pretty nice Marshalls, besides the crates.

[Leo_Gnardo]

All this talk of "real SVT's" is boring. The real "real SVT's" used 6146s and regularly blew up.

6146 in early production, thank goodness I've never seen any of those. There's a legend of SVT's earliest prototypes sporting a quad of radio transmitter tubes - 811's maybe - with top caps and B+ of @ 1200V. Can you imagine if they continued like that?

[bsco]

Manufacturers will sell at cost, or give equipment to bands, for promotional purpose.
Many bands will use this, to protect their "nice" Dumble Marshalls from being trashed on the tour....

Even Randy Bachmen / Bellamy was playing Peaveys when I saw them in New Orleans...

This is a win win for band and manufacturer promotion.

But you can be sure ZZ has some pretty nice Marshalls, besides the crates.

That doesn't make any sense......If I was on a tour and I owned a stack of amps that gave me the sound that I wanted, why would I use something just to protect my favorite amp(s)???? If I was as big as ZZ Top and if something did happen to an amp while out on tour I would have it replaced with one just like it within the hour and besides, if I had that much money, I have a bunch of spares for a back-up.....I must check out some more ZZ concerts to see if they do indeed change brand names from concert to concert..I do realize that manufacture's do give for free, equipment for the big bands to use as endorsement....but I would only endorse a brand of amp that gave me the sound I wanted...If I didn't like Marshall and preferred some other brand then I would use that other brand.....I wouldn't use the Marshall just because it was free.....I would use what ever gave me the sound that I wanted....

P.S. Checked out another ZZ concert...Yep...They're using crates....of course, there is no doubt that the Crates that they are using are not sold in the local music stores...they are probably specially made for them....

[J M Fahey]

Why .... of course SGM is right !!!!!!
A grade school kids band like ZZ top, who have been playing for .... what? ..... 3 months? ...... will *definitely* cut an endorsement deal with *anybody* who may help promote them beyond Aunties Sara and Emma which so far are the only guaranteed public they have

[Mick Bailey]

Of course, they're so hard up for cash and have so little self-respect and integrity they'll use anything if it's free.

Hey, if anyone out there is running a Dollar store, why not send The Reverend G. a set of strings or two? He'll be so grateful the band will put your store's name on a backdrop the next time they play. He can then save his more expensive strings for Sunday best.

[Leo_Gnardo]

That doesn't make any sense......If I was on a tour and I owned a stack of amps that gave me the sound that I wanted, why would I use something just to protect my favorite amp(s)???? If I was as big as ZZ Top and if something did happen to an amp while out on tour I would have it replaced with one just like it within the hour and besides, if I had that much money, I have a bunch of spares for a back-up.....I must check out some more ZZ concerts to see if they do indeed change brand names from concert to concert..I do realize that manufacture's do give for free, equipment for the big bands to use as endorsement....but I would only endorse a brand of amp that gave me the sound I wanted...If I didn't like Marshall and preferred some other brand then I would use that other brand.....I wouldn't use the Marshall just because it was free.....I would use what ever gave me the sound that I wanted....

P.S. Checked out another ZZ concert...Yep...They're using crates....of course, there is no doubt that the Crates that they are using are not sold in the local music stores...they are probably specially made for them....

Sometimes the artiste does not wanna offend the endorser - at least too obviously. I knew the FOH mixer for 38 Special when they were at the top of their curve. Peavey gave them anything they wanted plus a truck full more. Sharp eyed fans might have noticed, but few if any did, the GOLD faceplate & knobs across the dashboard of those Pe-uh-herrrrmm-koff-koff-what?!? The band had the crew stuff Marshall heads into the Peavey combos & heads they actually used.

That was then. This is now:

In more recent times, just a couple weeks ago I was asked to do similarly with other brands. I advised the endorsee to not waste his time & money. Nice when a big company wants to get behind you. But what do you do when they don't make any gear you can really use? And if you get caught, how embarrassing. "How'd THAT get in there? I'll never be able to guess..." And there goes the endorsement, right out the window. If the company reptiles don't notice, sharp eyed fans will, and these days all it takes is one twit with a twitter. Best to not be an endorsement whore.

[bsco]

I went in and checked the Crate website.....the guitar player for ZZ Top specifically uses Crate amps....there is a list of musicians that use Crate amps...there are some of them that I do not know but there are a few that I do and Billy Gibbons is one of them....Dusty Hill also plays through Crate amplification....maybe because the guitar player endorses them...If he didn't like the Crate sound he wouldn't be using them...it's that simple really......

[bsco]

Sometimes the artiste does not wanna offend the endorser - at least too obviously. I knew the FOH mixer for 38 Special when they were at the top of their curve. Peavey gave them anything they wanted plus a truck full more. Sharp eyed fans might have noticed, but few if any did, the GOLD faceplate & knobs across the dashboard of those Pe-uh-herrrrmm-koff-koff-what?!? The band had the crew stuff Marshall heads into the Peavey combos & heads they actually used.

That was then. This is now:

In more recent times, just a couple weeks ago I was asked to do similarly with other brands. I advised the endorsee to not waste his time & money. Nice when a big company wants to get behind you. But what do you do when they don't make any gear you can really use? And if you get caught, how embarrassing. "How'd THAT get in there? I'll never be able to guess..." And there goes the endorsement, right out the window. If the company reptiles don't notice, sharp eyed fans will, and these days all it takes is one twit with a twitter. Best to not be an endorsement whore.

Funny you should say that. My wife said maybe they have Marshalls hidden behind the stage somewhere and the Crates are there only for show.....but in all reality, the big bands wouldn't do that as they would have no need.....I was into the music store very recently and this guy was picking up a load of gear for a show he had been
hired to do sound for...When I seen all the gear I had to ask where the show was....I figured the local stadium....When he told me it was at one of the ballrooms in one of the upper class hotels,I had asked him what do you need all the gear for?? He said the band insisted that this was what they wanted.....they wanted to impress the crowd with stacks and stacks of equipment......and he went on to say that it was going to be a hell of a night trying to sound with all this gear.....My response was....very well...when it is all installed on the stage why don't you just hook up what you actually need and leave the rest of it there for show..no body will know or even care....he though that was a good idea....

[Leo_Gnardo]

.when it is all installed on the stage why don't you just hook up what you actually need and leave the rest of it there for show..no body will know or even care....he though that was a good idea....

That's just how "smart" bands do. It's difficult to coordinate a huge pile of gear. Early 70's Grateful Dead "wall of sound" did it but it took a lot of engineering and setup/teardown time, but resulted in superior audio. AFAIK nobody's done like that since. Then there was the late 80's Van Halen "pile of sound", but they were smart enough to just use a couple of cabs not the 100+ that were piled & scattered every-which-way on stage. There was a band around here mid 80's, Yankee Flyer. 17 Marshall cabs on stage. Only 2 of 'em had speakers. That's - - - show biz! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain... nobody does. That was me trying to mix monitors, the great and mighty OZ! At least I didn't waste effort bringing gear just for show.

Plenty more examples bands with MT-cabs or tricked-out ones with lights & smoke - Cheap Trick, Ace Frehley, the list goes on & on -

[soundguruman]

That doesn't make any sense......If I was on a tour and I owned a stack of amps that gave me the sound that I wanted, why would I use something just to protect my favorite amp(s)???? If I was as big as ZZ Top and if something did happen to an amp while out on tour I would have it replaced with one just like it within the hour and besides, if I had that much money, I have a bunch of spares for a back-up.....I must check out some more ZZ concerts to see if they do indeed change brand names from concert to concert..I do realize that manufacture's do give for free, equipment for the big bands to use as endorsement....but I would only endorse a brand of amp that gave me the sound I wanted...If I didn't like Marshall and preferred some other brand then I would use that other brand.....I wouldn't use the Marshall just because it was free.....I would use what ever gave me the sound that I wanted....

P.S. Checked out another ZZ concert...Yep...They're using crates....of course, there is no doubt that the Crates that they are using are not sold in the local music stores...they are probably specially made for them....

See, when you use Marshall on stage - there is 2 stacks of speakers for each head...
and about every 20-40 minutes, you swap the speakers to a fresh stack of cabinets.
This prevents the 30 watt speakers from getting too hot....
so now you know.

FYI: (manufacturers giving or selling gear to bands for promotional use)
It was Randy Bachman who told me this himself...
As I was engineering for him, and the Bellamy Brothers, at First Take Studios in New Orleans.
I considered that a learning experience...so I'm not arguing.

Every time I saw ZZ, they had three Dumble Marshalls, each one tuned for one, three, five harmonic sustain...
I couldn't believe how killer it sounded. I had to pick my jaw up, off the floor.
That was a learning experience too, which I later shared (the licks I learned) with my guitar teacher, Danny Gatton.
Who, in turn, showed it to 1/2 million other guitar players...

But I can't imagine ZZ playing Crate. That's pretty amusing.
Probably cut down the set up /roll out time...(?)

AND as I said many times:
"you can take the best guitar player, and he can play the crappiest guitar through the crappiest amp...
and it will still sound good."
So there you have it. Living proof, i suppose.

So, it's the guitar player that makes it good, not the guitar or amp, after all really.

Marshall Home Page: still shows ZZ as active touring with Marshall amps...

[J M Fahey]

DUMBLE Marshalls?

This shows your *sheer* ignorance

Meet Mr Dumble (whose handmade in America much sought after amps sell for U$25000 to 45000):





Meet Jim Marshall, whose machine made in Korea/Vietnam/China amps can be bought by the pallet load at nearest GC, MF or anywhare for that matter, from U$79 up:



For current Marshall amplification pricing check:
Marshall Amplifiers at Guitar Center | Search Results

By the way, all the Marshall user's page can claim is that *once* they used them, they never pull anybody from that list.




Any similarity is only ...... not, not coincidence because they can not be confused, not even by chance.
So any similarity may exist only in a sick brain.