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  • #16

    Correct , g1. Audio signal fed through input jack and open plug inserted into PA input jack

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    • #17
      Helmholtz, when switching between channels, R27 to ground reads open with drive ch selected and 52 ohms when clean ch selected

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jvm View Post
        Helmholtz, when switching between channels, R27 to ground reads open with drive ch selected and 52 ohms when clean ch selected
        You should have 0R between U5C pins 4 and 3 in clean mode. Looks like bad relais contacts.

        Try to directly short R27 to ground.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Helmholtz View Post

          You should have 0R between U5C pins 4 and 3 in clean mode. Looks like bad relais contacts.

          Try to directly short R27 to ground.
          U5 is a 4053 IC, not a relay. Should 0 ohms still be expected there? He did say he replaced it (with MC14053).
          "Everything is better with a tube. I have a customer with an all-tube pacemaker. His heartbeat is steady, reassuring and dependable, not like a modern heartbeat. And if it goes wrong he can fix it himself. You can't do that with SMD." - Mick Bailey

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          • #20
            Originally posted by g1 View Post

            U5 is a 4053 IC, not a relay. Should 0 ohms still be expected there? He did say he replaced it (with MC14053).
            Thanks, missed that.

            Let's see if directly connecting the lower end of R27 to ground makes a difference.

            Up to now results are quite confusing.
            Last edited by Helmholtz; 11-29-2020, 12:27 AM.
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            • #21
              Grounding R27 made no difference. Note that only the drive channel gain control has any effect on the dirty signal when in clean mode. When drive ch selected, all controls work as they should

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              • #22
                Is the point between C35/R63 connected to the power amp input via a shielded wire? If so, check if the shield is connected to ground (Ohmmeter).
                Generally check all wire shields for ground contact.
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                • #23
                  Helmholtz, no shielded wires in the amp at all. It is a single pcb amp

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                  • #24
                    Can you still hear some drive signal if you lift one end of C35?

                    Does it help to wire a 470p cap between power amp input (U6, pin 3) and ground?
                    Last edited by Helmholtz; 11-30-2020, 12:04 AM.
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                    • #25
                      Helmholtz, lifting C35 reduced the level but the signal is still present. Adding a 470pf to ground at U6 pin3 had no effect at all.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by jvm View Post
                        lifting C35 reduced the level but the signal is still present.
                        Wow, that's weird.
                        Lifting C35 should completely isolate the power amp from the preamp.


                        I'm running out of ideas.

                        Maybe a conductive board?

                        Do you have a scope?
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                        • #27
                          Helmholtz, I have a scope but I'm not very experienced using it.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by jvm View Post
                            Helmholtz, I have a scope but I'm not very experienced using it.
                            Did you use the scope for signal tracing (post #6)?

                            Do you have a signal source?
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                            • #29
                              I used a audio signal tracer and cd player input. My scope has a sine wave generator.

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                              • #30
                                Ok then try to do the signal tracing with the scope (AC coupling). Feed a 100mV/1kHz signal to the amp's input.
                                Especially see if there's any signal riding on power supply rails.
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