Gibson sg- very dark.

[John_H]

Ok I wont be reading your posts anymore thanks. Until I understand why there is no OD, or why the SG is so dark there f-all point dicking around blindly with a soldering iron like you. That's for simpletons. I think/ understand why 1st. Then put into practise. I dont have a 300k pot around to simply swap- I need to source first/ look see how its wired/ note, then wait for components. Its not a case of the 5 min job of your premature ejaculations big-tee hee hee.

I have of course tried the pickup at all heights. At the mo it is nr level with the scratchplate. Making it higher increaces vol and the sound fattens even more.

The next time I make an order to my supplier, Ill add a cts pot suggested by the good folks on here (not you) to save some £. If thats even 2 weeks away I dont give a fk. SC

Is there anything you can do to convince me that you're not trolling here, and in the other thread?

Thats too much faff for me tbh

Then go away.

[Sea Chief]

Read post 3 & 5!

Ok I read it- it doesnt relate whatsoever to what I asked. Read the Q post #26!

[Sea Chief]

Is there anything you can do to convince me that you're not trolling here, and in the other thread? Then go away.

Is that the only thing you contribute?! wow what input!

[John_H]

Is that the only thing you contribute?! wow what input!

I didn't comment until you became abusive. I didn't bother to contribute to your thread because it seemed pointless. I would have suggested some similar remedies, but you don't care to fix anything, and instead only talk about it. I involved myself when you personally attacked a member who tried to help you. If you don't want advice, then don't ask for it. Otherwise, you're trolling this site for your own narcissistic pleasure. I'm not as nice as most of the people on here. I'll call bullshit when it doesn't seem legit, and I'm not convinced you or your problems are real.

Is there anything you can do to convince me that you're not trolling here, and in the other thread?

Don't go on playing the victim either. The victims here are those who wasted time on you.

[The Dude]

http://music-electronics-forum.com/p...ignore&u=36599

[big_teee]

http://music-electronics-forum.com/p...ignore&u=36599

I did that this morning, and my blood pressure immediately went down!

[rjb]

I think/ understand why 1st. Then put into practise.

That is a good sentiment, but... it does not appear that you've actually put much effort into understanding.
Have you done any research? There is a ton of information explaining how this stuff works, on this and other sites....

Is the idea of adjusting the pickup height, effectively simulating a lower K 300k pot then?

No. What gave you that idea?

Lowering the pot from 500K to 300K increases the load on a resonant circuit, thereby reducing the "height" of the signal at resonant frequency; if you bypass the volume and tone controls, you load the pickup with only the instrument cable and the amp input (~1 Mohm), so the Fres peak is as high as possible (without active buffering).

Removing magnet wire from the pickup reduces the coil inductance, thereby raising the frequency of Fres.

[EDIT]Common wisdom says covers with high electrical conductivity introduce high-frequency-killing eddy currents.[/EDIT]

Apologies for the snippy tone.
Now, as has been suggested multiple times, hook up the pickup directly to the amp & see what happens!

[rjb]

Im sure the newer SG's, esp the 'budget' ones are made from lesser quality 'SG mahogany': heavier/ denser basically...
I tried a few SGs & should have bought in 80's... which were considerably/ noticeably lighter and no muddy sound there.
So wood density Im sure is a factor here too.

You are probably right, but ironically...
Back in the 70's/80's, everyone "knew" you "needed" a heavy guitar for good sustain.
So those zingy SGs would likely be considered "light weight POS"!

Reputedly, the Peavey T-60 (produced 1976-87) was built like a tank specifically to humor customer mindset.
T-60 designer Chip Todd knew better, and modified his own guitars like so:

[olddawg]

That is a good sentiment, but... it does not appear that you've actually put much effort into understanding.
Have you done any research? There is a ton of information explaining how this stuff works, on this and other sites....


No. What gave you that idea?

Lowering the pot from 500K to 300K increases the load on a resonant circuit, thereby reducing the "height" of the signal at resonant frequency; if you bypass the volume and tone controls, you load the pickup with only the instrument cable and the amp input (~1 Mohm), so the Fres peak is as high as possible (without active buffering).

Removing magnet wire from the pickup reduces the coil inductance, thereby raising the frequency of Fres.

[EDIT]Common wisdom says covers with high electrical conductivity introduce high-frequency-killing eddy currents.[/EDIT]

Apologies for the snippy tone.
Now, as has been suggested multiple times, hook up the pickup directly to the amp & see what happens!

Exactly..... I wanted him to wire the pickup direct to the jack to make sure that nothing in the tone/volume circuit was rolling off the high end to ground. I'm beginning to think this is a troll as well though. I've played dozens of SGs old to new. I can't remember playing any that were excessively muddy unless you rolled back the tone control. If this is a real post and you finally take 5 minutes to wire the pickup direct, you may discover the mud is in the amp.

[Sea Chief]

Why folks cant be civil instead of clubbing into a pack and sniping is sad: IMO its one of the worst aspects of the internet/ forums: it shows only how weak folks are if they feel the need to congregate into a pack to be heard (to get attention) against one person- its pg 1 bullying.

I did not understand the idea (I still dont) of 'wiring the pickup direct to the amp'. Also the amp is not the issue. As I said Ive read plenty of similar muddy humbucker threads, SGs included; my previous SG was similarly dark and muddy, and my strat is bright as heck in comparison. The amp (and another 2 same) are not the issue.

An sg made of less dense wood will still, Id argue, have a better sustain than a heavier PV t-60: it has a set neck (& more solid tailpiece) whereas the PV had a bolt-on neck. Again, those sg's I played in the 80's were lighter gtrs with a brighter sound- but similar (if not better) sustain.

If s'one doesnt understand s'thing beacause they dont have your knowledge, please dont get at them in a post. Be constructive & helpful (or just don't post). Thanks, Sea Chief.

[John_H]

Why folks cant be civil instead of clubbing into a pack and sniping is sad: IMO its one of the worst aspects of the internet/ forums: it shows only how weak folks are if they feel the need to congregate into a pack to be heard (to get attention) against one person- its pg 1 bullying.

Nobody has attacked you. I only questioned your motives. That's not "bullying". This is you playing the victim.

I did not understand the idea (I still dont) of 'wiring the pickup direct to the amp'. Also the amp is not the issue. As I said Ive read plenty of similar muddy humbucker threads, SGs included; my previous SG was similarly dark and muddy, and my strat is bright as heck in comparison. The amp (and another 2 same) are not the issue.

Your humbucker has two wires, your output jack has two wires, and the bridge needs to be grounded. If you have a problem with that, I strongly suggest that you have someone else work on your amp.

An sg made of less dense wood will still, Id argue, have a better sustain than a heavier PV t-60: it has a set neck (& more solid tailpiece) whereas the PV had a bolt-on neck. Again, those sg's I played in the 80's were lighter gtrs with a brighter sound- but similar (if not better) sustain.

If you don't have the other guitar for a direct comparison, you're just speculating.

If s'one doesnt understand s'thing beacause they dont have your knowledge, please dont get at them in a post. Be constructive & helpful (or just don't post). Thanks, Sea Chief.

Again, nobody attacked you. The only comment I see that was out of line was the one you made to Terry. If you want to understand better, spend some time reading, and less time making useless posts.

Is there anything you can do to convince me that you're not trolling here, and in the other thread?

[olddawg]

Why folks cant be civil instead of clubbing into a pack and sniping is sad: IMO its one of the worst aspects of the internet/ forums: it shows only how weak folks are if they feel the need to congregate into a pack to be heard (to get attention) against one person- its pg 1 bullying.

I did not understand the idea (I still dont) of 'wiring the pickup direct to the amp'. Also the amp is not the issue. As I said Ive read plenty of similar muddy humbucker threads, SGs included; my previous SG was similarly dark and muddy, and my strat is bright as heck in comparison. The amp (and another 2 same) are not the issue.

An sg made of less dense wood will still, Id argue, have a better sustain than a heavier PV t-60: it has a set neck (& more solid tailpiece) whereas the PV had a bolt-on neck. Again, those sg's I played in the 80's were lighter gtrs with a brighter sound- but similar (if not better) sustain.

If s'one doesnt understand s'thing beacause they dont have your knowledge, please dont get at them in a post. Be constructive & helpful (or just don't post). Thanks, Sea Chief.

I think the old axiom, "You can lead a horse to...." Is appropriate here. Wiring the pickup directly to the amp eliminates anything but the pickup and will tell you the output and frequency response of the pickup without any other loading. The pickup will have the same output and frequency response whether it is mounted in mahogany or plywood. Body resonance is a different thing altogether. If you can't spend 5 minutes with a soldering iron, I would suggest you take the guitar to a reputable shop for a setup. It should cost you $45-$75. If there is a problem the tech will identify it and advise you. There is only so much we can do without seeing the instrument. If you refuse to do simple diagnostic tests, then we are all just pissing in the wind.

[rjb]

I did not understand the idea (I still dont) of 'wiring the pickup direct to the amp'.

The idea is to have nothing between the pickup and amp other than cable (and connecting jacks & plugs).
No volume pot, no tone pot, no selector switch.
Then you will hear the pickup at the brightest it can get without modification.
If it is muddy with no volume pot, then it will be muddier with 500K and muddier still with 300K.
Then you can try removing the pickup cover; this may make the pickup brighter.
As a last resort, you can try removing some coil wire. Never mind, skip that.

Then again, the problem could be in the wood. Or the hardware.

Also the amp is not the issue.

Did anyone suggest it was?

An sg made of less dense wood will still, Id argue, have a better sustain than a heavier PV t-60

We basically agree. I see I've failed to make my point.
A "skeleton" T-60 has similar (if not better) sustain than a heavy T-60.
I was trying to show the irony that people used to think heavy guitar = more sustain.

Suggestion: If you are convinced your SG is too heavy, maybe you could "Chipify" it.

: it has a set neck (& more solid tailpiece) whereas the PV had a bolt-on neck.

I would argue that the PV has a more solid tailpiece, but whatever. It also has a longer scale. They're just different guitars.

If s'one doesnt understand s'thing beacause they dont have your knowledge, please dont get at them in a post. Be constructive & helpful

Dude, do you not recognize that people here have been handing you information on a silver platter?
How is that not constructive & helpful?
None of us were born knowing this stuff.
I ask again, have you done any outside reading?

Constructively yours,
Mr. Helpful

[rjb]

I think the old axiom, "You can lead a horse to...." Is appropriate here.

You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think.
- Dorothy Parker

Sorry. I just couldn't help myself.

Constructively yours,
Mr. Snarky

[guitician]

Your SG sounds dark....sounds is the key word here because you play it into an amp.

I have a dark sounding Les Paul. I have many different amps, with differing tones, and when I play that Les Paul into the brightest sounding amp, the Les Paul doesn't sound dark at all.

If your looking for a less dark tone, you should play the SG into a brighter amp.