I had to post this after nearly a year to say i finally figured this out. (the tweak in a minute) And i know many if not most of you will not believe me. I have debated doing this since day one but it seemed a bit far fetched at first but after thinking more about it i tried it and now i can roll the volume down and it cleans up much better. The big thing is before i had pretty good crispness and aliveness in the tone on 10 and was happy with that, but no treble bleed or modern wiring scenario would retain that bright crisp sound as i tuned down. It would actually be LESS bright and defined as i lowered the volume to get clean and it would not get very clean at all. Don't even bother mentioning all the other possibilities because aside from what finally did the trick, i had previously tried everything, and i mean EVERYTHING. Read the thread and i think i listed it all or at east most.
Now the fix, and i suspected this for a long time but it did seem a bit far fetched. I got into the 4 conductor pickups and removed the wires that carried the wires fro each coils that are where they connect together. The idea was capacitance in the pickup wires due to very thin wires with jackets so thin they are probably less than the thickness of paper all bunched together inside the main jacket. You have all 4 coil wires in there so close to each other due to the paper thin plastic jackets that i came to the conclusion that even tho the cables are only 8 or 10 inches long, the proximity of all four wires being separated by plastic that thin i thought could cause enough capacitance to cause this The symptoms i felt just reeked of cable capacitance so i finally tried it. The difference is wonderful. Gibson 50s/60s standards have this alive bright sound and it also struck me they have single conductor pickups So against what i know 99% of people wuld say if asked, i tried it Man, this think just kills now and is SOOOOO much more useful. I'm a big "ride the volume" for cleans and edge sound kinda player and till now i only used it for tunes that are always on 10 all the way thru or a tad less at most. Now i can get far cleaner and the brightness is retained to the point i can even turn the treble on my amp down. I realy believe that it's things like this, usually several of them summed that make lower end versions of higher end fenders and gibson sound better, and when you figure it out u really can make budget versions sound as good. I have done that with fenders forever...bridges being the biggest culprits so i know what each one needs from the get go when i acquire one. But being a fender guy all my life with few exceptions, i'm pretty new to gibsons so i'm not experienced in what differences make the USA equivalents sound better. Chuck....i recall you saying you gave up riding your LP's volume for the same reason, so If its 4 conductor, try this. I'l be playing mine a LOT ore from now on. Can't wait til the next gig
Now the fix, and i suspected this for a long time but it did seem a bit far fetched. I got into the 4 conductor pickups and removed the wires that carried the wires fro each coils that are where they connect together. The idea was capacitance in the pickup wires due to very thin wires with jackets so thin they are probably less than the thickness of paper all bunched together inside the main jacket. You have all 4 coil wires in there so close to each other due to the paper thin plastic jackets that i came to the conclusion that even tho the cables are only 8 or 10 inches long, the proximity of all four wires being separated by plastic that thin i thought could cause enough capacitance to cause this The symptoms i felt just reeked of cable capacitance so i finally tried it. The difference is wonderful. Gibson 50s/60s standards have this alive bright sound and it also struck me they have single conductor pickups So against what i know 99% of people wuld say if asked, i tried it Man, this think just kills now and is SOOOOO much more useful. I'm a big "ride the volume" for cleans and edge sound kinda player and till now i only used it for tunes that are always on 10 all the way thru or a tad less at most. Now i can get far cleaner and the brightness is retained to the point i can even turn the treble on my amp down. I realy believe that it's things like this, usually several of them summed that make lower end versions of higher end fenders and gibson sound better, and when you figure it out u really can make budget versions sound as good. I have done that with fenders forever...bridges being the biggest culprits so i know what each one needs from the get go when i acquire one. But being a fender guy all my life with few exceptions, i'm pretty new to gibsons so i'm not experienced in what differences make the USA equivalents sound better. Chuck....i recall you saying you gave up riding your LP's volume for the same reason, so If its 4 conductor, try this. I'l be playing mine a LOT ore from now on. Can't wait til the next gig
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