Schatten winder motor

[Mystic]

Here's one I made from a Grizzley lathe. I just looked and they don't sell this one any more. I think I paid $40 for it. The counter came from ebay and the delrin came from the scrap bin at the local plastic company. I've since taken the tail stock off. It works just fine without it.

[Bill Scheltema]

Some motor shots

Well here are a couple of shots of the motor I plan to use.
You can see the osc. mechanism out back, for now I think I will leave it out of the equation and do straight on hand winding in order to get a feel for the whole process.

Bill

[walcen]

Hey Bill I reckon those fan motors are great for the job, they're really quiet, plenty strong enough and I think most blokes are happy to wind between 500 and 1000 rpm anyway. I hooked one up to a one of those 400 watt Light dimmer switches and I was pleasantly surprised in how smooth and linear the controller was.
The switch was a bit pricey but worth it.

regards

Wal

[Bill Scheltema]

Yes Walcen

You know I was thinking the same thing.
Slower rpm you can see the wire lay down better (I suspect) which will aid in the winding technique.

I was also looking to use a dimmer for speed.

I am a bit surprised that there aren't more of this type being made.

Side note: my instant email notification though checked isn't working??? Hmmm

Bill

[David Schwab]

Here's one I made from a Grizzley lathe. I just looked and they don't sell this one any more. I think I paid $40 for it. The counter came from ebay and the delrin came from the scrap bin at the local plastic company. I've since taken the tail stock off. It works just fine without it.

Hey Mystic! Haven't seen you here in a long time.

I remembered this winder and was hoping they still made that lathe, since you can shorten the bed.

[Joe Gwinn]

Well here are a couple of shots of the motor I plan to use.
You can see the osc. mechanism out back, for now I think I will leave it out of the equation and do straight on hand winding in order to get a feel for the whole process.

It's very useful to be able to slow down almost to zero speed. This motor looks to be an induction motor, which may not be controllable enough. I'd do a motor test before building a winder around the motor.

[walcen]

It's very useful to be able to slow down almost to zero speed. This motor looks to be an induction motor, which may not be controllable enough. I'd do a motor test before building a winder around the motor.

That's a good point Joe, so I ran a test with three different fans using the said dimmer and found that they all behaved remarkably well, that is to say that they all slowed to a crawl and achieved top speed although I did notice that with the smaller of the fans actually stops, and makes less humming noise at slow speed. So the smaller fans motors may be the way to go because you really don't need that much grunt to wind pickups.

regards

Wal

[Joe Gwinn]

That's a good point Joe, so I ran a test with three different fans using the said dimmer and found that they all behaved remarkably well, that is to say that they all slowed to a crawl and achieved top speed although I did notice that with the smaller of the fans actually stops, and makes less humming noise at slow speed. So the smaller fans motors may be the way to go because you really don't need that much grunt to wind pickups.

Will the motor run on DC? If yes, a fullwave rectifier bridge between dimmer and motor may be helpful.

[govtmule]

One of my ideas was to get this lathe as a basis for a winder ($126.13):

Amazon.com: SHOP FOX W1704 1/3-Horsepower Benchtop Lathe: Home Improvement

I bought a similar lathe at an auction that I plan to use as a basis for my first winder. The speed control on mine does not slow the motor down to stop. It does have a soft start which is nice but even the slowest speed is pretty fast. Do you think I should look for another starting point or can I modify the speed control to slow the motor down even more ?

Thanks,
Steve

[walcen]

I bought a similar lathe at an auction that I plan to use as a basis for my first winder. The speed control on mine does not slow the motor down to stop. It does have a soft start which is nice but even the slowest speed is pretty fast. Do you think I should look for another starting point or can I modify the speed control to slow the motor down even more ?

Thanks,
Steve

Hey Steve, welcome to the forum.

The solid answer to your question is yes you can modify it although not being familiar with that lathe I cant say how much work is involved and I'm no genius when it comes to electronics.

You may be able to install an inline resister or even an adjustable potentiometer to reduce the overall voltage.

If the speed control is a pulse width modulator it could be modified.

any techy would be able to help you with that.

regards

Wal

[walcen]

Will the motor run on DC? If yes, a fullwave rectifier bridge between dimmer and motor may be helpful.

I tested all three fans and none of them would run on DC current, it was worth a try though
regards

Wal

[Joe Gwinn]

I tested all three fans and none of them would run on DC current, it was worth a try though.

They looked like induction motors, and that's what they turn out to be. OK.

[satchmoeddie]

For all budding winder builders.

I hope this helps as I'm currently undertaking the task of designing a simple, easy to build and affordable pickup winder.

When the design and construction is completed I'll be posting all the detail but for now here's what I have so far.

here is the motor speed controller, it is easy to build in its kit form and it works well between 6- 32 volts, read the specs.
Bi-Directional DC Motor Speed Controller Kit
Also available in Aus.

Standard (High Power) D.C. Motors 11800 RPM - Jaycar Electronics

These motors will run Quite happily between 6-18 volts at 1/2 an amp with most wall power packs and spin at around 8000 rpm, I'm sure these would also be available in the states.
Or as I said, if you scrounge the motors out of Epson or Canon printers they work just as well but only spin around 3000 rpm, more than fast enough and real quiet
kind regards to all

Wal

The Schatten was tempting, but I found a Singer motro at a swp meet for like $15 with the foot controller. Now all I need is an automated wire guide. I think a screw feed run either ioff od a DC motor with a limit switch(s) to reverse it at the end of the bobbin's width might be the most simple, or a Servo, or Step motor running the same screw fed guide. I am pretty good doing this by hand, but it could be better. My first home built was stolen, but I have a back up motor and a couple of foot pedal speed switches. I want to try me Husquvarna sewing machine parts. Maybe even a cam action guide would work to guide the wire. Schatten winders had a bad habbit of failing when I used them in shops I worked for. They used to be pretty nice, but maybe they have cheapened the motor over time. Anymore stuff is going down hill qualitywise anyway. When my shop was burglarized I wanted to cry. This will influence my decision to go ahead and just build a new winder, and not think I am saving a weekend (week and a half) making my own home built model. New power tools of any type are really depressing. I went into amps and have slowly bought some guitar repair supplys and tools. I don't have the room to do a full blown luthrie shop anymore. I was just at a surplus store looking at bearings, shafts and coil forms for Varitone 1.5 Hy coils for this circuit. Now I need to wind those too. I appreciate this info. I use a 24 volt magnetic inpulse counter, 5/16 spindle rod, and large O rings for belts, or used to anyway. Components for everything are getting cheesier every minute.

[satchmoeddie]

As for being OFF TOPIC: I use custom wound coils in amp equalizer circuits using both tubes and transistors, and op amps in the qualizer circuit. I can't run out and buy small coils that are 3 Hys with 38 gage wire on a small bobbin, and a choke coils is kind of overkill extreme, if you can find the exact L, Z, rectance, etc. My new winder will have a way to wind small round open center bobbins. I can then make wah coils, etc. Nice info THANKS AGAIN!! I'll save my $450,, and probably spend $4200 in time and materials.LOL I bet mine works! Your remotoring info will be taken under advisement too!