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    Hello,

    I'm returning this days to the old trick of splitting humbuckers using a capacitor to limit the grounding to a specific frequency.

    The tone is in my opinion very useful, the split is more "organic" with the full HB original tone, and the volume loss is better then full split.

    I was thinking about the new trend of last 10 years, with lot of HB built using different wire gauges and turns to "mismatch" the coils and obtain different tones.
    If I understand correctly, all the differences I can have between two identical (from mechanical point of wiew) bobbins are definable as resonance frequency and amplitude of this resonance (or Q factor), depending from the coil wire and turns.
    So, a "capacitor split" (supposing I have an HB with identical coils), is a method to lower the resonance frequency in one of the coils using a way simpler, tunable, cheaper etc.
    Obviously, the capacitance useful to "mismatch" the coils will be very small (not the .022 cap I used to split), and the resonance amplitude is difficult to control. Another important point to consider is the humbucking effect attainable with the two methods.

    I'm intrested in your comments.
    Thanks
    m.p.

  • #2
    Hi, my first post I have been wondering the same thing for a long time now. One should be able to tune a coil as you say, and have that woofer tweeter effect dimarzio hyped about to say get more harmonics? but could be done with better made pickups? haha

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    • #3
      The reason you might want to mismatch coils is to retain more highs. Humbuckers tend to have some phase cancelation in the high frequencies. Mismatching them lessens that cancelation.

      What the cap did when splitting a humbucker to a single coil is to only split it at high frequencies, while still letting the lows hum cancel. That's an old Bill Lawrence trick.

      You can also tune the coils by placing caps across them to hot instead of ground. I had a switch on a single pickup guitar once that would use some caps to make the bridge pickup sound like a neck pickup.
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      • #4
        Has anyone patented this idea? Does the cap get wired straight out to the lead wire on one of the bobbins?

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        • #5
          Don't know if it has been patented yet, but David is right about this being an old BL trick, I can clearly remember myself experiencing with one of the the first "Bill Lawrence" pickups ( seems to me 't was an L-110 ), back in the late 70s/early 80s ( ....Geez, 30 years ago! ), and this was one of the possibilities suggested by Bill in the wiring diagrams supplied together with the pickup.

          Cheers

          Bob
          Hoc unum scio: me nihil scire.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by StarryNight View Post
            Has anyone patented this idea? Does the cap get wired straight out to the lead wire on one of the bobbins?
            I don't think it's patented.

            What you do is, take the series connection, and instead of just shorting that to ground or hot, to bypass a coil, you connect a cap between the series connection and ground, or hot.

            When you do it between the series connection and hot, you are setting up a resonant tuned circuit with one of the coils. Depending on the pickup and the cap, you can get some interesting effects. This was one of the things I discovered back in the early 80's. I had this on a single pickup guitar, and with two switches, could get humbucker and single coil tones, as well as making the humbucker sound like a neck pickup. That used to freak people out! I have since lost the exact schematic I used, and haven't bothered to try and recreate it yet.

            I have since found something similar mentioned on this website:

            1 Humbucker Guitar Wiring Modification - Double Resonance
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            • #7
              Originally posted by David Schwab View Post
              . I had this on a single pickup guitar, and with two switches, could get humbucker and single coil tones, as well as making the humbucker sound like a neck pickup. That used to freak people out!
              David, you have the skills man, my respect-o-meter just notched up for you.
              Shannon Hooge
              NorthStar Guitar
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              • #8
                Yes, it was patented.

                Pat. #4,164,163, assigned to Peavey Electronics Corp.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by edwardta View Post
                  Yes, it was patented.

                  Pat. #4,164,163, assigned to Peavey Electronics Corp.
                  That was for their tone control that splits the coils. When the pot was on zero, it was a regular tone control and humbucker. When on 10, the pickups was a single coil.

                  So the cap didn't split the pickup like BL used to do because it's on the other side of the pot.

                  Also, its expired.
                  It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by David Schwab View Post
                    What the cap did when splitting a humbucker to a single coil is to only split it at high frequencies, while still letting the lows hum cancel. That's an old Bill Lawrence trick.
                    How does that work, e.g., each leg of the cap is soldered to what exactly?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Zhangliqun View Post
                      How does that work, e.g., each leg of the cap is soldered to what exactly?
                      Solder one end of the cap to the series connection between the coils. Then connect the other end either to ground, or hot.
                      It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


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                      • #12
                        here is a link to a nice little calculator to help you pick c values Resonant Frequency Calculator

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