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  • #61
    Way off base and out of control, Skinny.

    There really are no butts to kiss here. This is supposed to be meeting ground for peers, or do I assume to much? My opinions stand, and since you hide behind a handle, I cannot give you either respect nor the disrespect I might choose if you were person enough to be known.

    It's really easy for those of you who hide behind false personas to spout off, rant, insult, and otherwise behave in a manner you'd not have the guts to do either in person or if you took your masks off.

    I stand behind my statement that the most important elements of guitar or bass tone are the fingers on the strings. We do not make the musician's sound, we can merely help shape it a bit. The best guitar players I know are unmistakably themselves no matter what instrument they pick up. 300 turns of 43 ga. wire plus or minus doesn't change that. Neither does more or less carbon in the pole pieces. Nor Alnico 2 vs. aged 5. Nor, for that matter does it seem to change whether they're playing a Les Paul or a Strat, given that some here have thought that Lindsey Buckingham played mostly on his Les Paul on Rumours...(reality: NOT!).

    It's digital tone controls, baby, five digits on each hand unless you're Django Reinhardt or Jerry Garcia. Then subtract a few...

    At our best as pickup makers, we can free up our musician clients to best express themselves, and we can maybe pat ourselves on the back for helping that to happen, but pickups are but one element of a winning combination of instrument, musician, and amplifier. To think that we are the most important part of that is like thinking that your carburetor was the most important element of winning a Formula 1 race, completely ignoring the driver, the tire makers, or the suspension tuner.

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    • #62
      Stop the Arguing, and close the Thread!
      "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
      Terry

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      • #63
        Originally posted by big_teee View Post
        Stop the Arguing, and close the Thread!
        No, lets just stop the argueing. David shouldn't have to "police" the threads. Things have been getting out of hand lately and that's not good for all of us. We don't want this place to become like the LPF do we?

        Skinnywire, I appreciate your position, it's been well noted in this thread. I was leaning on the thought untill it got ugly there, but the escence of the post is a valid point.

        Rick T, lighten up 'eh?, you've been around the scene for a long time and we appreciate it but it's definately not a license to stomp on us little guys. We've been comming here and exchanging/debating stuff for a long time and it's hard for some to take a new guy being so hard. As much as we really appreciate having a seasoned pioneer in the biz here, I'm sure we all hoped for the wise-ol-dude kinda attitude, so try to be gentle bud.
        -Brad

        ClassicAmplification.com

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        • #64
          I agree with Brad!
          All this negatism is ruining a great forum.
          I got on here to learn how to make better pickups.
          You experts could help others and share more of the how-tos, that you all know.
          Lighten up and lets have some fun!
          Terry
          Last edited by big_teee; 09-23-2010, 05:05 AM.
          "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
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          • #65
            Just to be clear, I liked to read both posts both RickT's and Skinnywire's, I'm not taking sides except to say lets all have a beer and discuss this like fellow pickup makers.
            -Brad

            ClassicAmplification.com

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            • #66
              Originally posted by RedHouse View Post
              Just to be clear, I liked to read both posts both RickT's and Skinnywire's, I'm not taking sides except to say lets all have a beer and discuss this like fellow pickup makers.
              OK, I restored the post, and everyone; lighten up and treat each other with the respect you would want someone to show to you.

              No reason to argue even if we have differing opinions.
              It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


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              • #67
                Originally posted by David Schwab View Post
                OK, I restored the post, and everyone; lighten up and treat each other with the respect you would want someone to show to you.

                No reason to argue even if we have differing opinions.
                Thanks David.

                When I was young I thought very uni-polar, everything was black/white, this/that, good/bad, but now that I'm old ...(sigh)... I can appreciate other people's views, even when they are not necessarily a view I would adopt, it adds color to any topic's spectrum.
                (and we certainly have some spectrum around here!)

                Just a quick comment on the subject of topics and views, I notice we do tend to vacillate between super-sweeping and hyper-focused views which tend to lead to the heated discussions. When we're focusing on specifics of a pickup tone or design aspect, we're putting aside the systemic view for a moment (sans user and support equipment) to focus on something in detail, then someone might come along and say hey, we're too focused, it's the system that is the sum of it's parts.

                Well both are legitimate views and discussions and have their place, but they are out of place in each others context, there's really no need to argue just accept the scope of a given comment in the light it was given.
                Last edited by RedHouse; 09-23-2010, 01:54 PM.
                -Brad

                ClassicAmplification.com

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                • #68
                  And none of this had anything to do with "Pickup mounting holes"...
                  It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


                  http://coneyislandguitars.com
                  www.soundcloud.com/davidravenmoon

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                  • #69
                    How about a thumbs down button? Seems like that would be useful.

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                    • #70
                      Back to topic.

                      If I had my 'druthers, the standard for humbucker height adjust mounting screws would be 4-40 or even 6-32. It would be nice to have something substantial.

                      I use 4-40s in the pickup mounting plate/pickup surround, but instead of using springs, I use a single 10/32 cap screw from the back of the instrument into a brass threaded insert in a wood block epoxied onto the back of the pickup. This allows extremely rigid mounting of the pickup as well as making overall height adjustment easy and allowing bass/treble tilt adjustment. The through the back screw also happens to be the pivot for the "rotating" pickup mount which allows approximately 30 degrees slant either side of perpendicular to the center line of the guitar, though that is just kind of an extra as far as features go. I do like the more solid mounting of the pickup to the body that this system allows.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Rick Turner View Post
                        Back to topic.

                        If I had my 'druthers, the standard for humbucker height adjust mounting screws would be 4-40 or even 6-32.
                        And three of them for crying out loud!

                        I had an '80 Washburn Hawk here for a setup, and it was so nice to see pickups that don't wobble in their rings. You could tilt them too.
                        It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


                        http://coneyislandguitars.com
                        www.soundcloud.com/davidravenmoon

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                        • #72
                          the mounting holes are fine . the only thing i want long legs on, is a woman
                          damm !!!! i hate long leg baseplates
                          "UP here in the Canada we shoot things we don't understand"

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by copperheadroads View Post
                            the mounting holes are fine . the only thing i want long legs on, is a woman
                            damm !!!! i hate long leg baseplates
                            I Ditto all of the Above!!!
                            Terry
                            "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
                            Terry

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by copperheadroads View Post
                              the mounting holes are fine . the only thing i want long legs on, is a woman
                              damm !!!! i hate long leg baseplates
                              That too. But three holes on short legs is the best way! No wobble at all, and you can tilt them on a Les Paul to match the neck angle.
                              It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. — Albert Einstein


                              http://coneyislandguitars.com
                              www.soundcloud.com/davidravenmoon

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by David Schwab View Post
                                That too. But three holes on short legs is the best way! No wobble at all, and you can tilt them on a Les Paul to match the neck angle.
                                +1. I just can't understand WHY baseplates aren't short legs and three-holed by DEFAULT, the same with p'up rings... L-A-M-E!
                                Pepe aka Lt. Kojak
                                Milano, Italy

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