PE vs Poly wire isolation experiment with sound samples included

[jason lollar]

it may or may not be the insulation thickness thats different- there is no easy way to tell- you can have wire made to any spec and the core size will drift so it could be the wire itself is thicker than standard by design or by worn dies or it could be the insulation. Its a pretty big size difference though- worth wondering if its throwing off the results.

[big_teee]

Not to get off track too much, but a more interesting test to me would be to compare MrCandy's Poly with other well known Poly's.
Like Essex, Elektrisola, mws, and others.
What is the purpose of comparing a poly to a vintage used wire which is strictly that.
It's mainly used for vintage Pickups. That won't change regardless of the outcome.
Just my O2Cents.
B_T

[FunkyKikuchiyo]

Not to get off track too much, but a more interesting test to me would be to compare MrCandy's Poly with other well known Poly's.
Like Essex, Elektrisola, mws, and others.
What is the purpose of comparing a poly to a vintage used wire which is strictly that.
It's mainly used for vintage Pickups. That won't change regardless of the outcome.
Just my O2Cents.
B_T

Good point Terry. I've found differences in workability in different brands (and choose which ones I use based on that), but I'm really not sure if I've ever heard a difference. I think I have, but I'm not really confident.

[copperheadroads]

I just finish a spool of 42 gauge poly from Essex & I have a new spool from Mws ,I have not compared them side by side but I have noticed any change in tone
But its a great test ,thanks ....... there is a difference in the O.D of the wire which would contribute to the lower R.P
To prove there's no difference between poly & PE ..........I always thought Poly is brighter sounding that PE & charts show that here

[JGundry]

That is a big different in OD between the Poly and the PE. Just looking at the coils you can see the difference in the amount of copper laid on the bobbins. I would personally never try and make the same pickup model out of wire that differed that much in diameter. For Humbuckers I like to use wire diameter tolerance as a variable to manipulate between the two coils. So I always sort the wire with a mic so I can mix diameters for different models.

IMHO 1 and 3 are Poly and 2 is PE. #2 seems drier toned with a bit snappier treble content which says to me PE. 1 and 3 sound a bit juicier and spongier on the low end which sounds like Poly to me. One thing that is always hard to take into account with a test like this is small amounts in pickup height and just playing dynamics can affect the tone. To have a real blind test you need the player to not be aware of differences between pickups.

[MrCandy]

When are you going to offer nickelsilver baseplates and covers?

We have no problem with HQ nickelsilver material, but it is a vocation season now.
I think the production of baseplates and spacers will start this Autumn.
We will think about covers.
If community is interested we can offer nickelsilver material privately.

[MrCandy]

how about doing it all over again with the same size wire and insulation build? 65 and 71 is a pretty big size difference and we dont know what the insulation build is on either wire.

We really would be glad to do it, but the thing is that when you buy PE real size it is pig in a poke.
The max correct test would be if we have PE wire with 10foot/Rdc= 16.7-16.8 Om (t-20 C ͦ).
We can allow time for maximal correct tests if somebody is willing to send us PE wire like that, otherwise it is empty conversation
All Poly we have in stock is stable in caliber and we cant make it fit the random PE sizes

[MrCandy]

That difference in thickness, which I'm assuming is the insulation, will automatically change the way each sounds.

In any case 10ft/Rdc is very different. You can judje about copper D from this index.

10foot DCR:
Poly
OD - 0.071mm
10foot /Rdc(t-30 C ͦ) - 17.50 Om
(t-20 C ͦ) ~ 16.81 Om

PE
OD - 0.065mm
10foot /Rdc(t-30 C ͦ) - 18.35 Om
(t-20 C ͦ) ~ 17.63 Om

[MrCandy]

Not to get off track too much, but a more interesting test to me would be to compare MrCandy's Poly with other well known Poly's.
Like Essex, Elektrisola, mws, and others.
What is the purpose of comparing a poly to a vintage used wire which is strictly that.
It's mainly used for vintage Pickups. That won't change regardless of the outcome.
Just my O2Cents.
B_T

It wont be an experiment, it will be Marketing and Advertising
The main thing we really need to test in what you offer is stability of this wires.
Ok Send us Essex, Elektrisola, mws, and others and we will make this experiment for you personnaly.

[MrCandy]

One thing that is always hard to take into account with a test like this is small amounts in pickup height and just playing dynamics can affect the tone. To have a real blind test you need the player to not be aware of differences between pickups.

Pickup height was set by calipers. About sound samples, we tried to play as the same as it was possible.
Already tested that if you ask third party to play guitar samples he starts to play like on guitar championship and spoils everything

[MrCandy]

If you look at the charts, the PE is Lower Freq.

Sometimes frequency characteristic of pickup does not say how it will sound in the end.
One of the most important factors that influences d tone is Q-factor that affects steepness of frequency characteristic.

[big_teee]

Sometimes frequency characteristic of pickup does not say how it will sound in the end.
One of the most important factors that influences d tone is Q-factor that affects steepness of frequency characteristic.

I said maybe, that 2 was PE.
If not, no BFD.
Your taking all this way too serious!
Lighten Up and have fun.
And Above All,
Keep Rockin!
B_T

[MrCandy]

And Above All,
Keep Rockin!
B_T

Ok comrade, we will.

[StarryNight]

so if a 10 foot length from each spool measures a different DCR does that not mean the diameter of the copper is different for each spool?

if we are comparing pickups with:
a) two different sizes of copper
b) possibly two different thicknesses of insulation
c) two different types of insulation material

then I'm not sure the hypothesis of PE vs Poly sound quality could be determined.

[copperheadroads]

1 poly
2 uneven coils
3 PE
TRUE OR FALSE ?