Lee Roy Parnell signature 57 gold top.

[David Schwab]

Geezus, I was just wondering how the pickups came up against real PAFs. Whether it matters or not, I'm not a fan of Lee Roy or any other cunt-ry picker really. I love single coil pickups and the noise is the price you pay for the best sounding pickups on the planet Get that in ya guru. And Terry, why are you posting in my thread. Go n clean up that rat's nest amp of yours.

What is the point of your thread anyway? And watch your tone or I'll lock the thread.

I'm not a country music fan, but some of those guys are great players. Take Albert Lee for instance.

And I'l say it again, there are some great single coil sounding pickups that don't hum. And they worked great for Danny Gatton.

[cbarrow7625]

Why do you have to go hating on David? What's that about. I don't build pickups (yet) but I learn an awful lot from him; he seems to share an awful lot of good info. And aren't you splitting hairs a bit when it comes to hum cancelling "single coils"? Do non-string sensing coils count? Does a pickup like that, which sounds and acts like a single coil, but has no hum thanks to a non-string sensing coil qualify as "single coil"? I suppose not. But how should we discuss this type of pickup in quick responses on this forum? Do you insist that we use the scientifically correct technical description of each implementation variation or you will flame us?

I don't even know what his implementation method is but I do know i understood what he meant by a single coil with no hum. Oddly enoigh, your next post added nothing to further that understanding or why you objected to his description. Yes, yes; your way is the only way to true undrerstanding, I know. Hallelujiah.

If you have a specific problem with and individual please keep it to yourself, the rest of us don't care. If you are just going to make generalizations about "that type" of person please keep it to yoursellf as well. I don't care what you "believe", I just come here looking for useful info and help.

[big_teee]

Remember, We're all supposed to be friends here!
T

[Ward]

What is the point of your thread anyway? And watch your tone or I'll lock the thread.

I'm not a country music fan, but some of those guys are great players. Take Albert Lee for instance.

And I'l say it again, there are some great single coil sounding pickups that don't hum. And they worked great for Danny Gatton.

Go right ahead n lock the thread, nuthin's coming of it anyway. The point of the thread? Helllooo, geez whadiya pickin on me for poonce.

[Ward]

Remember, We're all supposed to be friends here!
T

Says who.

[big_teee]

Says who.

Me!
B_T

[Ward]

Me!
B_T

[David Schwab]

Go right ahead n lock the thread, nuthin's coming of it anyway. The point of the thread? Helllooo, geez whadiya pickin on me for poonce.

I ain't picking on you!

[big_teee]

I ain't picking on you!

Don't lock it!
Most Fun we have had all day!
So how much are they gonna Charge for that Fancy Gold Top?
T

[Possum]

I think its probably some copy writer pulling stuff off my website or the forum, Gibson is too cheap to do things right and their copy writers seem to make things up as they go along, we've seen it before. It took most of 5 years devoted exlusively the metallurgy to completely understand it, not likely they'd have a clue all of a sudden ;-) Go read the text describing their '57 Classics, you'd think they made a 100% accurate repro if all that stuff was true. Marketing gimmicks....

[Ward]

Don't lock it!
Most Fun we have had all day!
So how much are they gonna Charge for that Fancy Gold Top?
T

Over 7 grand if you can believe that.
David, thanks for not pickin on me. The point of the thread is that because of the metallurgical testing of the ,er, metal parts, I thought it may have been of some interest to some, I was hoping Dave Stephens might chime in but really, unless we also pay for the testing we'll never know what the alloys were/are in the PAFs, if you can get a hold of one anyway. Besides that, nothin much has been going on here for ages so I thought I'd start the thread and maybe some of the more esteemed builder might chime in like JL did.

[Ward]

I think its probably some copy writer pulling stuff off my website or the forum, Gibson is too cheap to do things right and their copy writers seem to make things up as they go along, we've seen it before. It took most of 5 years devoted exlusively the metallurgy to completely understand it, not likely they'd have a clue all of a sudden ;-) Go read the text describing their '57 Classics, you'd think they made a 100% accurate repro if all that stuff was true. Marketing gimmicks....

Thanks Dave, I can believe it.

[David Schwab]

Don't lock it!
Most Fun we have had all day!

Oh I'm not. But I have to wag my finger around sometimes.

[David Schwab]

The point of the thread is that because of the metallurgical testing of the ,er, metal parts...

Right. Now look at the first reply to the thread you got. So I resounded to that reply, since it was totally off topic, and then things spiraled out of control. But that was the source of it.

Dave has done a lot of research in this, as has Jon. I have some of the pole screws from the first batch, I think Dave did, and they do sound different from, say the screws that comes with Stew-Mac kits.

I wonder if Gibson actually went through the trouble to do this. Of course they might have bought one of Dave or Jon's pickups and analyzed that!

I'm also prone to think it's marketing hype. Probably like their fake bumblebee caps. And look at the hard time they gave Tim Shaw when he wanted to do things the right way. Now they care? Seems a little late to the game.

[Possum]

Its not just knowing what the alloys were, I think I'm going to quit talking about it so much, its a lot more than that, the metallurgy is a minor part in the big picture, no big company could ever get the full picture without hiring outside their corporate structure, and no big company would hire someone to obsess on something for 9 years. I know how Gibson operates and I know the inside story of how the Classic 57's came to be, pretty sad.... Anyway, thanks for posting this thread. I'm sure there are Gibson employees over on the LPF who pay attention to things, but then again Gibson was voted by its own employees as the worst place in America to work, two years in a row, it made all the big news outlets, wonder how they did last year....