Duncan interview videos at the factory....

[Ghandi]

oh yeah,
sure it's 42pe...

but if you look for insance at the PG and Lover neck there is only a difference of 0,1kOhm...
with exactly the same pattern and the same full gauss a2,
there shouldn't be that much of a difference!?

[David Schwab]

oh yeah,
sure it's 42pe...

but if you look for insance at the PG and Lover neck there is only a difference of 0,1kOhm...
with exactly the same pattern and the same full gauss a2,
there shouldn't be that much of a difference!?

I don't do a lot of guitar humbuckers, but my experience with bass humbuckers showed me that even 200 winds more on each coil sounds pretty different. It changes the resonant peak, and that's where the tone is.

[Ghandi]

ja,
but than again every guitar cable loads the pickups down differently.
even if they are the same length,
and than some players use 5 meter and some 15 meter...

[JGundry]

@possum

so if you've got a SD seth lover humbucker, have you tried to replace all the steel parts with your parts???

that would get you two leesona coils with the right steel parts...

but what?s keeping me wondering is,
if the alnico 2 pro, pearly gates, seth lover and antiquity?s are all wound on the leesona they all should share the same winding pattern only a few more turns less or more, right?
All with 43pe wire and all got an alnico2 mag (the ones in the antiquitys a bit degaussed),
so does seymour also use different steel parts or why doesn?t a PG with a degaussed mag sound like an antiquity, OR DOES IT?!

The Seth Lover has a different winding pattern for each coil aside from coil offset. Antiquities have the same winding for each coil aside from offset.

[Ghandi]

The Seth Lover has a different winding pattern for each coil aside from coil offset. Antiquities have the same winding for each coil aside from offset.

that would mean that one coil of the lover isn't wound on with the leesona, right?

do've also got some information on the pearly gates?

[JGundry]

that would mean that one coil of the lover isn't wound on with the leesona, right?

do've also got some information on the pearly gates?

I'm not sure what Seymour does. He could be switching the gears on the Leesona to change the winding pattern.

I don't know anything about the Pearly Gates model.

[RedHouse]

I've got both Duncan pickups, a "Pearly Gates" and a "59B" on my bench for fodder, to me they appear identical although I have not unwrapped either one to check out any wind-pattern.

Take this with a grain of salt, but they appear identical coil shape but FWIW my eye is suspecting the PG has thinner wire as the coil seems slightly less filled-up, you can see more bobbin flange exposed than the 59B shows, in fact the 59B looks like it's filled-up just same as when I wind one of my own with #42, where the PG looks more like it might be #43.

The magnets don't look exactly the same, the 59B has a black colored bar and the PG has a uncolored bar, they are the same size though, sorry I can't measure the gauss right now.

This "Pearly Gates" slug pole is dominant,
DCR@69F= 8.35K
SC= 4.11K
SL= 4.24K

This "59B" has the screw coil dominant:
DCR@69F= 8.29
SC= 4.2K
SL= 4.09K

The Seth Lover has a different winding pattern for each coil aside from coil offset. Antiquities have the same winding for each coil aside from offset.

J are you using the term "coil offset" for different DCR of the coils?
(like I use the term dominant coil)

[soundmasterg]

The Leesona can change the winding pattern by changing to different the gears, but it can wind to different tension too right? Maybe the different Duncan pickups have different tension which would change the sound noticeably.

I've got quite a few Duncans including several PG's, an Alnico 2 Pro, had some 59's, etc., and they all sound different.

Greg

[kevinT]

so if you've got a SD seth lover humbucker, have you tried to replace all the steel parts with your parts???

This would be a great research project to hear the different changes in tone.

I have an Alnico II Pro and it reads 8.3k Ohm and both coils are wound with the same number of turns.

[David Schwab]

It's interesting that Seymour talks about how humbuckers should be machine wound so that both coils match, but then he's not matching the coils?

[RedHouse]

It's interesting that Seymour talks about how humbuckers should be machine wound so that both coils match, but then he's not matching the coils?

Thats what makes me think he's hinting at a set traverse and turns-count. Perhaps in his mind any coil wound on the Leesona is a "match" for another coil wound on the Leesona?

[RedHouse]

This would be a great research project to hear the different changes in tone.

I have an Alnico II Pro and it reads 8.3k Ohm and both coils are wound with the same number of turns.

Did you unwind it?
(how do you know it's actually the same number of turns?)

[David Schwab]

Did you unwind it?
(how do you know it's actually the same number of turns?)

It would probably be obvious if one coil had a different gauge wire, as the wire would be thinner, so the coil would be smaller (thinner wire = less turns to get to the same DC resistance).

[Ghandi]

does anybody have some information if the pearly gates are 42pe just like the p.a.f.'s in the reverends les paul, always thought so...

or if they are/could be 43pe like RedHouse has mentioned?

[kevinT]

Did you unwind it?
(how do you know it's actually the same number of turns?)

i didn't unwind it...using the DCR values to determine that they were wound the same...of course this isn't exact....maybe off a few turns but generally in the same neighborhood.

The A2 pro that I have is hotter than what they list in their spec for this model.