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    So I wound up two 7-string humbuckers today (still waiting on the magnets before I put them together though) and noticed something strange. The bridge pickup I used 43 SPN on because I wanted it hotter than my 42 HF wire would have allowed (wouldn't have fit). But I then wound the neck pickup with the 42 HF because it would. I noticed something interesting, although this was my FIRST winding with SPN or 43 awg I found that this wire was MUCH easier to wind than HF?! I did the bridge pickup first and it went really well, but when I switched to the HF I noticed a different feel in the wire and had to be MUCH more careful about how tightly I gripped it or it would break. I ended up winding the first half of one coil THREE times because of this!
    Has anyone else noticed that the feeling of HF coatings make it harder to wind with?
    I used the coil estimator website to ballpark my winding numbers for the DCR I wanted. When I was done I compared winding count to actual achieved DCR and noticed that although in both cases my coils were closer to the "loose scatter" count on the estimator the HF was EVEN LOOSER than, while the SPN was tighter than. I think that also says something about what I was referring to above.
    Chris
    Sidenote: Should I be worried that all my windings are more around the "loose scatter" count on the coil estimator, than the "tight scatter"? Also, does this refer to how tight the wraps are (ie: had higher tension when winding?) or to the degree or scatter?

  • #2
    Poly is my favourite to wind with
    If i don't use formvar often ,I tend to struggle with it .its too tight or too loose ..............It is slippery
    One thing about the coil estimator ,It never works out for me with anything but AWG 43
    No matter what tension i use with 42 poly or HF42 It usually comes out to about 85% which is close to tight machine wind
    Heavy formvar for a neck humbucker ? it can get pretty chewy ,It can work nicely if its under wound
    "UP here in the Canada we shoot things we don't understand"

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    • #3
      Funny you mention that. Neck is 8.4k, bridge is 13.6k, both with A5 bars. I used the SD Full Shred as a "ball-park".
      Chris

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      • #4
        Originally posted by verhoevenc View Post
        Funny you mention that. Neck is 8.4k, bridge is 13.6k, both with A5 bars. I used the SD Full Shred as a "ball-park".
        Chris
        So is the neck pickup nice & clear ?
        "UP here in the Canada we shoot things we don't understand"

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        • #5
          I'll let you know when I finish the guitar and get to use it :P I don't currently have a 7-string so I can't test it anywhere else either.
          Chris

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          • #6
            The lighter colored wire is easiest to wind.
            The Darker colors like PE give me fits, cause it's harder to see, if you don't have great lighting.
            I like the Red SPN, and the Clear HFV. My HF is very tough and hard to break.
            You can really go to town with it.
            I will probably get some HPN 42 next when I run out of HFV.
            I sure like the Thicker Insulation wire sound on Strat type single coils.
            Terry
            "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
            Terry

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            • #7
              aside from color, are there any other factors that make one type easier to use as opposed to another?
              i have been emailing mws about a few different types, mostly all in the same price range, but want to make sure im getting the right wire for me.
              i concerned partly with the sound it will give, but mostly at this point ease of use. i have read that p.e. and h.f. are "sticky"
              and difficult to get good tension as it catches on the fingers. poly has been said to be more "slippery" and easy to use.
              i dont want to buy 5lbs of wire that gives me hell...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by beinz View Post
                aside from color, are there any other factors that make one type easier to use as opposed to another?
                i have been emailing mws about a few different types, mostly all in the same price range, but want to make sure im getting the right wire for me.
                i concerned partly with the sound it will give, but mostly at this point ease of use. i have read that p.e. and h.f. are "sticky"
                and difficult to get good tension as it catches on the fingers. poly has been said to be more "slippery" and easy to use.
                i dont want to buy 5lbs of wire that gives me hell...
                For all around winding purposes I recommend the 42 Ga SPN.
                Color of your choice.
                I think the red at MWS was the cheapest so I went with that.
                Its good for most everything.
                PE HFV are Vintage wires.
                If you do a lot of Strat single coils and like the HFV Sound, either get the HFV or the HPN, in either red or clear.
                Last Time I ordered I got a spool of Each.
                Gets a little pricey though. lol
                MWS has good wire, I think you will like whatever you order from them.
                Terry
                "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." Winston Churchill
                Terry

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