before buying anything, some questions!!!

[ototo]

and finally, my two babies¡¡¡



my lag arkane, and my flying v(24 3/4") body on mahogany with maple top, mahogany neck and indian rosewood? fingerboard.
well now this post have fotos. no foto no party¡¡

[ototo]

and here is my second try of winder¡ it aparently works.....

the engine is taken from my old "dremel", and the counter is made with a computer keyboard and a bicicle speedmeter, i just conected the enter button with the magnetic switch of the speedmetter. i know... wtf¡¡ but it works.(i just conect it to a computer and open the calculator press 1 + ... enter enter enter...) i´m now looking for a step counter... and also conect it to the switch, so that i don´t need a computer.



if any one thinks it´s the most awfull winder
if got to say NOoo00OOO¡
this is the most... awful and aSDFASFDASDF in the world.


heheheh now it´s time to laugh¡¡ lol
thnx all

PD: i don´t know if u should have done a new thread?¿ post?¿(dn´t know the correct word) in tools and coil winding gear. let me know if it´s better to open a new post.

[mcgruff]

Good to see you've got something working. I've been using a cycle speedometer too. Works very well, so long as you calibrate it first.

[ototo]

hello every one.
i´ve been working on wood, thats why i haven´t written anything.
i still have doubts, even before reading. posibly because of the idiom it have skipped the correct posts to read...
first. magnets.... ive read that i can charge them with some neos... but ive seen lots of neos... do i need real power neos... like 20kg of press or 8 kg are enough... they are cheap...more or less... ive been thinking on this, because if i want to buy like.. alnico 2 and 5 and ceramics.... I should not purchase them at the same time.... they may interact and modify the charge betwen them...
to desmagnetice them.... if read that i can do it using 2 ceramics .... but they need to be charged or discharged¿?
i´ll also try to build a gaussmeter... has any one tried it?¿ i´ve seen some diagrams and seems to be easy to build.

the potting... is really necesary to doit with 20%bee wax and 80% parafin ?¿ can it only bee wax or only parafin?¿?

pfff now about winding... sry for all this text... i would like to do some singles for middle and neck position, and a humbuker for the bridge. now... my doubts... are... how many turns do i have to do with 43awg, to build a humbuker with 14 kohm? i would try 7100 and 7000... i´ve also read that making them like... one with more turns, gives a nice sound... but would that be a good idea?¿?
and now... how would you recomend the other two, so that it follows a line...?¿ thats only for practice before the p90´s.

if also purchased a ... piece of s***... it´s a .. aria 2 pro.. the body is made on mdf... so you can imagine... it was only to test some pickups.. and only cost me 15€... hehehe but... made on mdf?¿?wtf!

well after this amount of doubts.... i only can say... sorry, but i haven´t found the answers by myself
thnks all¡¡¡

[big_teee]

hello every one.
i´ve been working on wood, thats why i haven´t written anything.
i still have doubts, even before reading. posibly because of the idiom it have skipped the correct posts to read...
first. magnets.... ive read that i can charge them with some neos... but ive seen lots of neos... do i need real power neos... like 20kg of press or 8 kg are enough... they are cheap...more or less... ive been thinking on this, because if i want to buy like.. alnico 2 and 5 and ceramics.... I should not purchase them at the same time.... they may interact and modify the charge betwen them...
to desmagnetice them.... if read that i can do it using 2 ceramics .... but they need to be charged or discharged¿?
i´ll also try to build a gaussmeter... has any one tried it?¿ i´ve seen some diagrams and seems to be easy to build.

the potting... is really necesary to doit with 20%bee wax and 80% parafin ?¿ can it only bee wax or only parafin?¿?

pfff now about winding... sry for all this text... i would like to do some singles for middle and neck position, and a humbuker for the bridge. now... my doubts... are... how many turns do i have to do with 43awg, to build a humbuker with 14 kohm? i would try 7100 and 7000... i´ve also read that making them like... one with more turns, gives a nice sound... but would that be a good idea?¿?
and now... how would you recomend the other two, so that it follows a line...?¿ thats only for practice before the p90´s.

if also purchased a ... piece of s***... it´s a .. aria 2 pro.. the body is made on mdf... so you can imagine... it was only to test some pickups.. and only cost me 15€... hehehe but... made on mdf?¿?wtf!

well after this amount of doubts.... i only can say... sorry, but i haven´t found the answers by myself
thnks all¡¡¡

The best way to start for standard pickups, is with Kits.
All the Necessary parts are in the kits.
New winders are recommended to stick with standard Specs.
Then once you master everything, then start experimenting.
There are StewMac instructions in the Resources Thread.
You will answer a lot of your own questions once you get to winding.
Here is the links.
http://music-electronics-forum.com/t30228/#post268493
post 2, shows the links to the StewMac instructions.
If you have more questions, feel free to Ask.

[mcgruff]

Someone else can confirm, but I think you need neodymium N50 grade to charge alnico magnets. They don't have to be big, I think an inch or so diameter by quarter inch thick. Presumably that works for ceramics too.

AFAIK, you'll lose a lot of high frequencies in a high output pickup like that so ceramic 8 is often used to add some back. I'd maybe try alnico 5 as well and pick the one which works best. It's easy to swap magnets, so long as you haven't potted it yet.

A cheap guitar for testing is a great idea. It's a shame there isn't an easy way to swap pickups in and out. Humbucker body design needs an upgrade. Imagine if you could just slacken off the strings and push the pickup straight into some kind of socket in the mounting ring. Would save a lot of mucking about with a soldering iron.

[big_teee]

Someone else can confirm, but I think you need neodymium N50 grade to charge alnico magnets. They don't have to be big, I think an inch or so diameter by quarter inch thick. Presumably that works for ceramics too.

AFAIK, you'll lose a lot of high frequencies in a high output pickup like that so ceramic 8 is often used to add some back. I'd maybe try alnico 5 as well and pick the one which works best. It's easy to swap magnets, so long as you haven't potted it yet.

A cheap guitar for testing is a great idea. It's a shame there isn't an easy way to swap pickups in and out. Humbucker body design needs an upgrade. Imagine if you could just slacken off the strings and push the pickup straight into some kind of socket in the mounting ring. Would save a lot of mucking about with a soldering iron.

Thanks for the info!
Be careful with NEOs.
They can Shatter if that bang together to violently.
I use some medium NEOs but stack them to get the desired strength.
For testing Pickups I do this.
For humbuckers I use a stop tail guitar.
You loosen the strings and slip the stop tail off for access to the pickups.
In the control cavity I have small wire tails solder to the pots.
To test the pickups I use small wire nuts to connect the pickup to the wire tails.
Works great.
Strats are harder I use additional Pickguards.
I mount the test Pickups in the test pickguard and swap it into the strat.
You can make test mules for pickups, but I still just regular guitars.
Thanks,

[ototo]

Wouldnt this be enough... Q-40-20-05-N: Bloque magnético 40 x 20 x 5 mm (Imanes de neodimio) - supermagnete
Like a pair of this... ... Its scary... 30 kg of strenth and also a little expensive... 20€ + shipping
This are n40... But big ones....
Thnks!...

[big_teee]

A pair of these would be Ideal for Alnico bar magnets.
You can Use shorter magnets for magnetizing rod magnets.
cPath_1_5 | products_id_73 | Neodymium Magnets N45 Block 3 in x 1 in x 1/2 in - Applied Magnets & WindMax Wind Turbines

[ototo]

Ok thnx, i think ill buy a pair of these, but... Ceremic wont get charged? I think that i wont wind singles.. Juist p90s and bukers.... The singles are going to be build with bars.... I think.... Dont know....
Just.say thnks to all

[big_teee]

Ok thnx, i think ill buy a pair of these, but... Ceremic wont get charged? I think that i wont wind singles.. Juist p90s and bukers.... The singles are going to be build with bars.... I think.... Dont know....
Just.say thnks to all

Ceramic Magnet are most always pre-charged.
You can touch them up with the neos.
You can charge alnico rods with those also.
Good luck,

[ototo]

wel, here is my first wind. it´s a single coil and has 5.6kohm... to low, but.. it was the first time and i had made lots of mistakes during the winding.


i did it without a wire guide... and at the first atempt... i thought.. it´s easy¡¡ but... y try it 3 times moire.... and i only f***** up 50 grams of copper...
then i added a wire guide... really rudimentary, but... worked pretty well¡¡ and here my second atempt, with 8200 tunrs and a dcr of 7.54 kohm¡¡




this was just for training... but doesn´t look bad. now i´ll pratice a with a humbuker that i have and doesn´t sounds.. not well, not bad... just nothing...
and also ... try to buy parafine for the potting and thats it...
thnx all¡ i feel the same as when i finished my flying

Pd:
here is what i´ve done this weekend¡ the new neck¡¡


it´s on mahogany, the trussrod will be easy to change if any problem appears.thnk u all for reading and sorry if it´s boring.

[mcgruff]

That looks good Better than my efforts so far. My coils always seem to have a bit of a lean like this:
_________
_\______\

Getting the wire guide right is a big help. Maybe more experienced winders can do without it but I find it's very easy to slip off the bobbin once or twice during a long wind.

[Lyrebird Steve]

My coils always seem to have a bit of a lean like this:
_________
_|______|

This is the shape you get when your bobbin is not mounted "square" (ie perpendicular) to the motor.... it's also the shape you will get if your mounting plate has wobble

[mcgruff]

Thanks Steve. I thought it might be something like that.