Pickup Wind Designer program ...what would you like to see included ?

[kayakerca]

OK, I'll bite then ... the pattern were demos of what's possible. The question was if it's possible to replicate the pattern in the video. Answer = Yes. Would you use it ? Don't care.

Programming for more options always better than programming for more constraints.

Time to take a breath Steve. Not everyone wants the same things in life and not everything everyone wants can be done by one person/project. You got some hardware. I got some help with my coding efforts. Everyting be irie.

Any hey, my software is done. . . I'm happy. . . Life be good. . .

[David Schwab]

Nobody, but hey, like PT Barnum said.....

Anyway, this reminds me of when I worked at a major software company in Redmond, dev's were always "solving" problems no one had. Aint the world such a better place now?

It's funny, I watched a video on YouTube last night showing this guy making pickups. He was an old timer, and clearly has been doing it a while and builds guitars. Had his own laser cutter and stuff. Anyway he's hand winding on a Adams Maxwell winder, and he's moving his hand back and forth like he's shaking a salt shaker! If you watch Seymour or any of them, they don't do that.

[Magnut]

Y'know I have spoke to several people about "scatter" winding and it's funny how many believe it is exactly as you described. "Salt Shaker" method. I've tried to set them straight but they insist that scatter means scatter all over the place as much as possible. Now thanks to you I have a new term to describe it! Hee Hee!

[rhgwynn]

What is Scatter Winding and how does it affect tone and output? - Seymour Duncan Installation and Tech Tips

There you have it. In their own words, scatterwinding is laying dat sheet wherever da fuhg you want! And it's how we all find our own unique "tones" - so long as we can remember what the hell we did and when!

-Rob

[big_teee]

What is Scatter Winding and how does it affect tone and output? - Seymour Duncan Installation and Tech Tips

There you have it. In their own words, scatterwinding is laying dat sheet wherever da fuhg you want! And it's how we all find our own unique "tones" - so long as we can remember what the hell we did and when!

-Rob

I have a Strat bridge Pickup model that uses some Scatter.
Works good for it.
Not big on scatter on humbuckers.
I scatter more than I like too on buckers, trying not to.

[rhgwynn]

I have a Strat bridge Pickup model that uses some Scatter.
Works good for it.
Not big on scatter on humbuckers.
I scatter more than I like too on buckers, trying not to.

I think that may be old-world thinkin Tee.... a few searches on google reveals notions of greater clarity and string to string articulation from scatterwinding the buckers. What say you, good Sir? Anyone? Inquiring minds wish to know!

-Rob

[big_teee]

I think that may be old-world thinkin Tee.... a few searches on google reveals notions of greater clarity and string to string articulation from scatterwinding the buckers. What say you, good Sir? Anyone? Inquiring minds wish to know!

-Rob

All gibson humbuckers were wound on machine.
On neck pickups, for example, to keep the pickup from getting muddy you want to keep the bobbins small.
The more you scatter the bigger the bobbin for the same amount of wire.
Don't believe me, check the coil estimator.
That is probably why on a neck bucker with machine Wound you can get more turns, and more ohms resistance without getting muddy.
BTW the Old World Thinking?
I'm proud of that, I'm Old!

[Lyrebird Steve]

It he's moving his hand back and forth like he's shaking a salt shaker!

Yes ! Perfect description of what I programmed as a possibility ... hence-forth know as "Salt-Shaker winding pattern"

What is Scatter Winding and how does it affect tone and output? - Seymour Duncan Installation and Tech Tips

"Scatter Winding" (Also called "Random Wrap") - a machine spins the bobbin, and the magnet wire goes through the hands of an operator (named Seymour) who distributes the wire along the bobbin in an intentional scattered or random pattern. All scatter wound pickups are hand wound. Not all hand wound pickups are scatter wound

No ... it's possible to Scatter Wind by machine

You can scatter-wind ten pickups with the same wire and number of turns, but each will sound different.

No ... with this software and the corresponding winding program ... you CAN Scatter-wind 10 pickups (with the same pattern) and they would all sound the same

[rhgwynn]

"Lyrebird Steve - Blowing minds everywhere since 2013"

-Rob

[Lyrebird Steve]

"Lyrebird Steve - Blowing minds everywhere since 2013"

-Rob

[RedHouse]

... with this software and the corresponding winding program ... you CAN Scatter-wind 10 pickups (with the same pattern) and they would all sound the same

Everyone with programmable winding controllers can do the 10-the-same thing, that's not a new thing (as I'm sure we all know) but I would disagree a bit by saying you will find that all 10 don't sound exactly the same. You might agree as you wind more and do more A/B testing with a testbed guitar, YMMV.

Beyond winding patterns (and tension if you are progrsamming for that) there are a few things that affect the wind that are out of the control of your software, these things will always introduce some uniqueness into each individual coil. Varying copper diameter througout a spool and varying insulation thickness through a spool, the room temperature (specially with 44) etc.

Now before you get your knickers in a twist, I'm not trying to sound like a wet blanket on ya, just pointing out most (experienced) winders know that winding pattern isn't the "big deal" some folks tend to hype.

[big_teee]

IMO the biggest Varible of all in winding?
Is the wire itself.
I had a magic Strat formula with some big 42HFV one time.
Then low and behold, I ran out!
Never have found that wire or that particular mojo again!

[David Schwab]

IMO the biggest Varible of all in winding?
Is the wire itself.
I had a magic Strat formula with some big 42HFV one time.
Then low and behold, I ran out!
Never have found that wire or that particular mojo again!

You can't find heavy formvar? Or you mean it was over sized? Try 41 then.

[David Schwab]

Now before you get your knickers in a twist, I'm not trying to sound like a wet blanket on ya, just pointing out most (experienced) winders know that winding pattern isn't the "big deal" some folks tend to hype.

I'll agree with this. Since hand winding is random, you would expect each pickup you make to sound very different, since none of them share the same winding pattern. But they don't. I suppose I wind each coil in a similar fashion, but clearly I would not be able to do an exact copy. I wouldn't even know where to start. I also pay little attention to turns per layer. It's just not something easily done while hand winding. Not for me anyway. I know about how many turns per layer I typically do, because I did count it once. And I don't scatter very much at all, so I suppose that helps each pickup come out more like the last.

I have to do drastically different winding patterns to get a difference in the sound of the pickup, and the results are not that drastic either.

I think if you want to simulate scatter, as a way to keep each turn farther away from the last one, just decrease the turns per layer to leave more room between each turn.

I'm looking forward to trying various things out when I finish my CNC winder.

[kayakerca]

I'm looking forward to trying various things out when I finish my CNC winder.

I've only wound a half dozen SC's on my new CNC winder, but I really like it. Maybe that's just because I'm an unskilled beginner, but still. . .