Suggestion on a speaker.

[Alan0354]

I have been busy tweaking the amp to adapt to the Eminence, actually just with very minor tweaking of the circuit, more on the tone adjustment, I got even nice sound out of the Eminence than the Utah. ( Remember I did 7 hours of 60Hz 30W breaking in to make the difference). The speaker is acceptable.

But I would like to try a little difference. The Eminence legend 1258 has less singing highs even though it is bright, more the mid and upper mid strong. The most noticeable is in the OD. The Eminence sounded very smooth, almost no fuzzy sound that has the high harmonics.

Very example is this video clip comparison between the G12C vs G12C/S. If you listen to the second part on the OD sound. The G12C has more the of the fuzzy edge where the G12C/S is smoother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSNJhR0Hupk

From my limited knowledge of speaker spec. I am guessing my the response of my legend at 5KHz is good 5dB down from the average output. Most of the other speaker has the same output at 5KHz as the average output.

My question is, should I try the G12C instead as I have the Eminence Legend that I can adapt to already? Or any other suggestion? It has to be American sound.

[Alan0354]

No. I think you should hook up the variac directly to the speaker at 15 VAC and drive it for about ten-to-fifteen 2-hour sessions over the weekend. I have been breaking in speakers that way for about 30 years and it works, although like Chuck H said it still may not make the speaker work for you. Don't try to reinvent the wheel because it is a simple process. If the speaker still has too much treble on Monday then it is not the speaker for you.

I wouldn't use a pair of G12C/S in a Pro Reverb because you may find that a pair doesn't have enough treble. A G12C/G12C/S mix is a good choice.

I thought G12C/S is only slightly darker than G12C!! I wrote to WGS, the person said the G12C is just as bright as the Eminence 1258. So I can definite use one that is obviously darker.

[soundguruman]

No. I think you should hook up the variac directly to the speaker at 15 VAC and drive it for about ten-to-fifteen 2-hour sessions over the weekend. I have been breaking in speakers that way for about 30 years and it works, although like Chuck H said it still may not make the speaker work for you. Don't try to reinvent the wheel because it is a simple process. If the speaker still has too much treble on Monday then it is not the speaker for you.

I wouldn't use a pair of G12C/S in a Pro Reverb because you may find that a pair doesn't have enough treble. A G12C/G12C/S mix is a good choice.

soak the cone w/lighter fluid, then torch it. Or so they say...
Personally, I think this spoils the midrange.

[Steve A.]

Can you be more specific on what you did with the grid stop, and where?

That is a question that I was afraid to ask...

[J M Fahey]

soak the cone w/lighter fluid, then torch it. Or so they say...
Personally, I think this spoils the midrange.

Well, I would *also* behave as brain damaged if I had survived this as you did:

[Steve A.]

I thought G12C/S is only slightly darker than G12C!! I wrote to WGS, the person said the G12C is just as bright as the Eminence 1258. So I can definite use one that is obviously darker.

I have not read all 62 posts in this thread so far. I don't know what kind of amp circuit you are using but I recommend adding an AC-30 style cross-line Cut control to practically any PP amp to match the amp to the speaker (if that is an issue.)

As for the settings of the tone controls if you can get the sound that you are looking for does it really matter if a control is set to 3 or 5 or 7? When it does matter (like when turning the Treble control all of the way down on a Champion 30 and it is still very bright) you can add resistors to the pot to give you a wider selection of settings within the desired range.

Steve

[soundguruman]

I thought G12C/S is only slightly darker than G12C!! I wrote to WGS, the person said the G12C is just as bright as the Eminence 1258. So I can definite use one that is obviously darker.

"That" is a kazoo.
"This" is a guitar speaker:

EVM, the best guitar speaker in the world.
Also the heaviest guitar speaker in the world. I recommend getting roadies.
(does not include man eating great white shark)

[überfuzz]

...Also the heaviest guitar speaker in the world...

You sure? It looks tiny... *Eyeballing between thumb and index finger*

[Chuck H]

You sure? It looks tiny... *Eyeballing between thumb and index finger*

"I'm squishing your head... Squish, squish."

[Jazz P Bass]

Hah!

The Kids In The Hall.

What a hoot.

"I'm crushing your head."

[soundguruman]

You sure? It looks tiny... *Eyeballing between thumb and index finger*

It's a singularity, very high mass per cm3.

This guy just dropped off his Twin Reverb w/ 2X 12 inch EVM speakers.
That thing is heavier than sheep shat bench press.
I'm surprized the baffle board hasn't cracked in two.

Sure sounds great, but the chiropractor bills...

[Joe L]

Very example is this video clip comparison between the G12C vs G12C/S. If you listen to the second part on the OD sound. The G12C has more the of the fuzzy edge where the G12C/S is smoother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSNJhR0Hupk

From my limited knowledge of speaker spec. I am guessing my the response of my legend at 5KHz is good 5dB down from the average output. Most of the other speaker has the same output at 5KHz as the average output.

My question is, should I try the G12C instead as I have the Eminence Legend that I can adapt to already? Or any other suggestion? It has to be American sound.

I have a WGS G12C in my Fender Deluxe repro and it is a great speaker. I've tried it with my Marshalls, SLO, Vibroverb and the Deluxe of course and "American" is the way to describe it. My best buddy built a Deluxe repro at the same time I did and he got the Weber 12F150. We both agreed that the WGS sounds the same until you get into heavy overdrive, the Weber gets real fizzy.

That G12C/s on youtube sounds too honky in the midrange for me. But that could easily have been the mike positioning.

[Alan0354]

I have a WGS G12C in my Fender Deluxe repro and it is a great speaker. I've tried it with my Marshalls, SLO, Vibroverb and the Deluxe of course and "American" is the way to describe it. My best buddy built a Deluxe repro at the same time I did and he got the Weber 12F150. We both agreed that the WGS sounds the same until you get into heavy overdrive, the Weber gets real fizzy.

That G12C/s on youtube sounds too honky in the midrange for me. But that could easily have been the mike positioning.

I already have the Eminence Legend 1258 that is a copy of jensen C12N like the WGS G12C. Vaughn of WGS said G12C is just as bright as the Eminence 1258.

[Alan0354]

Well, I bought the WGS G12C/S!!! I also bought and received a 110V to 18V 3A transformer. I am going to use a variac in front to get 15V. No more blown amps!!!! Wish me luck on the speaker.

[Alan0354]

Received the WGS, running 14V 60Hz using the variac with a 18V transformer right now. It is a lot louder than the Eminence Legend 1258. Must be the bass response is more higher with the WGS as the spec show similar efficiency. Well 7 hours to go for the truth.