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  • #16
    Originally posted by catalin gramada View Post
    Disconect the PI outputs to power tubes. It still osscilate? If Yes than check the OT wiring track (keep away ot primary wires from inputs wires, secondary common directly to output jacks and from those point to nfb retour) . 100 ohm screen grids close to the socket should be able to cure any . If osscilation stoped with PI disconected check then the PI stage. First wiring track, specially the wiring from OT to nfb injection point.
    Would disconnecting the yellow and white wire that go to V6 pins 9 & 5 disconnect the outputs to power tubes?(photo).

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

      Would disconnecting the yellow and white wire that go to V6 pins 9 & 5 disconnect the outputs to power tubes?(photo).
      They are connected to pins 2 & 7 on V7/V8 sockets.

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      • #18
        Be aware to not disconect at power socket. You will leave the power tubes without bias reference and blow it. Just one end of coupling caps.
        "If it measures good and sounds bad, it is bad. If it measures bad and sounds good, you are measuring the wrong things."

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

          Only way I know to describe it is a high pitched squeal that increases as drive/volume and master volume are about on 10. It's accompanied by both tubes red plating and output loss of power.
          This sounds like an ultrasonic oscillation due to instability at higher drive levels. It's likely due to lead dress, grounding or insufficient decoupling in the power supply. Something later in the amp is "talking" in like phase with something earlier in the amp with the controls set for more sensitivity. This can be caused by like phase leads in proximity to each other, shared ground leads for like phase circuits with enough resistance for a little signal to ride on them or like phase amplification stages on the same power rail node that is not decoupling signal well enough.
          "Take two placebos, works twice as well." Enzo

          "Now get off my lawn with your silicooties and boom-chucka speakers and computers masquerading as amplifiers" Justin Thomas

          "If you're not interested in opinions and the experience of others, why even start a thread?
          You can't just expect consent." Helmholtz

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          • #20
            Originally posted by catalin gramada View Post
            Be aware to not disconect at power socket. You will leave the power tubes without bias reference and blow it. Just one end of coupling caps.
            If I understand you correctly, I shouldn't disconnect the white and orange wires connected to V6. Can you describe where I should disconnect PI from power tubes?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post
              Would disconnecting the yellow and white wire that go to V6 pins 9 & 5 disconnect the outputs to power tubes?.
              You did not supply a schematic in THIS thread for V# references. But...

              If V6 is the PI tube then what you propose would disconnect the filament circuit.

              Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post
              They are connected to pins 2 & 7 on V7/V8 sockets.
              If V7/V8 are the power tubes then, again, you would be disconnecting the filament circuit.

              DO NOT do either of these things.
              "Take two placebos, works twice as well." Enzo

              "Now get off my lawn with your silicooties and boom-chucka speakers and computers masquerading as amplifiers" Justin Thomas

              "If you're not interested in opinions and the experience of others, why even start a thread?
              You can't just expect consent." Helmholtz

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

                If I understand you correctly, I shouldn't disconnect the white and orange wires connected to V6. Can you describe where I should disconnect PI from power tubes?
                You should identify c18 and c19 on the board 100nF/400v . Just lift one end from each to isolate PI from power stage. You should be able to locate the source of oscillations. Let try different: Did the power tubes red plating with v6 removed ?
                "If it measures good and sounds bad, it is bad. If it measures bad and sounds good, you are measuring the wrong things."

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by catalin gramada View Post

                  You should identify c18 and c19 on the board 100nF/400v . Just lift one end from each to isolate PI from power stage. You should be able to locate the source of oscillations. Let try different: Did the power tubes red plating with v6 removed ?
                  Can I remove V6 tube only? The white and orange wires connecting V6 to V7/V8 or something else?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post
                    Can I remove V6 tube only? The white and orange wires connecting V6 to V7/V8 or something else?
                    See post #21 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    If you're going to ignore me I'm leaving.
                    "Take two placebos, works twice as well." Enzo

                    "Now get off my lawn with your silicooties and boom-chucka speakers and computers masquerading as amplifiers" Justin Thomas

                    "If you're not interested in opinions and the experience of others, why even start a thread?
                    You can't just expect consent." Helmholtz

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Chuck H View Post

                      See post #21 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                      If you're going to ignore me I'm leaving.
                      Not trying to ignore. Got your posts after I sent mine. Will not disconnect. Trying to clarify what other one was saying. I think there is a language barrier and my inexperience causing confusion.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post
                        Can I remove V6 tube only? The white and orange wires connecting V6 to V7/V8 or something else?
                        Yes take it out and see if power tubes still redplating. I don't have the whole picture of you amp but still may try to isolate the problem. Did you checked the bias of power tubes ?
                        "If it measures good and sounds bad, it is bad. If it measures bad and sounds good, you are measuring the wrong things."

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                        • #27
                          Well you have another (enormous) thread for this amp. But remember that information you've given there is not presented here. And, I'm probably not going to peruse that thread thoroughly for bits of information because it would take an inordinate amount of time. So...

                          Have you replaced any electrolytic capacitors in the power supply for this amp?
                          "Take two placebos, works twice as well." Enzo

                          "Now get off my lawn with your silicooties and boom-chucka speakers and computers masquerading as amplifiers" Justin Thomas

                          "If you're not interested in opinions and the experience of others, why even start a thread?
                          You can't just expect consent." Helmholtz

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Chuck H View Post
                            Well you have another (enormous) thread for this amp. But remember that information you've given there is not presented here. And, I'm probably not going to peruse that thread thoroughly for bits of information because it would take an inordinate amount of time. So...

                            Have you replaced any electrolytic capacitors in the power supply for this amp?
                            Yes, I believe C37 which is near R43. I'll send you a link for schematic I have.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Chuck H View Post
                              Well you have another (enormous) thread for this amp. But remember that information you've given there is not presented here. And, I'm probably not going to peruse that thread thoroughly for bits of information because it would take an inordinate amount of time. So...

                              Have you replaced any electrolytic capacitors in the power supply for this amp?
                              https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/track...0-ad65930e0bba

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                              • #30
                                Seem to be wandering about all over the place.
                                The original question was ... ? ... no idea, it has gone on too long and is hitting deaf ears. From memory it was adding a grid stopper but there already is one and now it seems it is oscillating ..... why are you disconnecting the heater supplies?
                                I'm gone.
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