Lee Roy Parnell signature 57 gold top.

[Ward]

Geez, I was all set to start on the bobbins at lunch time and the postman came with some presents and I put the bobbins on the back burner.
9.2 eh, well I think I'll just start with 5,000 turns and go from there. I have some nice PE from a few years ago that isn't like that thick shit you get from Mojo.

[Possum]

5,000 turns per coil will give you around 7.5K for the pickup. Nice bright tones, a lot of early Patents were in that range because they'd gotten a counter that shut the machine off at 5,000. TTops were mostly in that range too, same number of winds, but you find variation there too.

[jason lollar]

looks to me like ron ellis did the testing- did anyone bother to find the video on youtube? and Gibson just put "we" in the ad copy. How many one man shops say "We" out there- i know a lot of them that do.
If you are willing to vaporise a part to find what the composition is testing is cheap- about $50 per part. i dont have any problem doing that if i have a box of odds and ends which are availible. There are many pieces of incomplete PAFs out there if you have pals in vintage stores. There are other cheap tests for other properties- just depends on how far you want to go on it or how far you need to go actually.
Learn to read ad copy and youll never look at it the same

[Ward]

Well, going off topic now I suppose but I thought some might like to see how I botched up a "taller" bobbin'd hummer. 5,000 turns PE42, came to 8K, this is an F space 53mm job. A2 mag,bla bla. I made the bobbins from some neck build left over maple. I never want to do it again this way,the bobbins are one piece, I used a router and a bit that I ground to shape to take out the space for the wire, lotta fun that was. Anyway, this thing screams, it's no point tryin to play nice with this, you have to just turn up and go for it. No idea how a Paf sounds, probably nothing like this but it was rewarding in the end to have made it. I loved how I could choose what size to drill the bobbin mounting holes so the actual screw held it's bind unlike a lot of those plastic ones that always strip with bugger all effort. I'll need to pot this thing as it takes off at times but I was right up close to the amp.
I took a pic with a stock Mojo bobbin to show how "tall" the maple ones are, I would have actually gone "taller" but would have needed to make new slugs so I just went slightly "taller". So, like I said, off topic but what the hey.
Cheers.
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[copperheadroads]

Well, going off topic now I suppose but I thought some might like to see how I botched up a "taller" bobbin'd hummer. 5,000 turns PE42, came to 8K, this is an F space 53mm job. A2 mag,bla bla. I made the bobbins from some neck build left over maple. I never want to do it again this way,the bobbins are one piece, I used a router and a bit that I ground to shape to take out the space for the wire, lotta fun that was. Anyway, this thing screams, it's no point tryin to play nice with this, you have to just turn up and go for it. No idea how a Paf sounds, probably nothing like this but it was rewarding in the end to have made it. I loved how I could choose what size to drill the bobbin mounting holes so the actually screw held it's bind unlike a lot of those plastic ones that always strip with bugger all effort. I'll need to pot this thing as it takes off at times but I was right up close to the amp.
I took a pic with a stock Mojo bobbin to show how "tall" the maple ones are, I would have actually gone "taller" but would have needed to make new slugs so I just went slightly "taller". So, like I said, off topic but what the hey.
Cheers.
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Very nice
Taller bobbins & with 5000 turns turned out 8k ........mine comes out lower around 7.6k at 5000 turns ,Would the wider spacing make that much difference

[David Schwab]

How many one man shops say "We" out there- i know a lot of them that do.

I think we do.

I guess you are speaking on behalf the company and not first person.

[Ward]

Thanks copper,the 53mm pole spread makes the most difference in DCR I would think. The taller bobbins would probably have some influence as well in the other direction, more inner windings and less outer?
Now that I think about it, I only eyeballed the size of the middle section that the screws and slugs go into. If that was thicker than usual that would add DCR as well. I just forgot to measure it, I have a good set of calipers here too

[big_teee]

Well, going off topic now I suppose but I thought some might like to see how I botched up a "taller" bobbin'd hummer. 5,000 turns PE42, came to 8K, this is an F space 53mm job. A2 mag,bla bla. I made the bobbins from some neck build left over maple. I never want to do it again this way,the bobbins are one piece, I used a router and a bit that I ground to shape to take out the space for the wire, lotta fun that was. Anyway, this thing screams, it's no point tryin to play nice with this, you have to just turn up and go for it. No idea how a Paf sounds, probably nothing like this but it was rewarding in the end to have made it. I loved how I could choose what size to drill the bobbin mounting holes so the actual screw held it's bind unlike a lot of those plastic ones that always strip with bugger all effort. I'll need to pot this thing as it takes off at times but I was right up close to the amp.
I took a pic with a stock Mojo bobbin to show how "tall" the maple ones are, I would have actually gone "taller" but would have needed to make new slugs so I just went slightly "taller". So, like I said, off topic but what the hey.
Cheers.
http://

Terrible, You need to clean up that Ratz Nest!!!
T

[Ward]

Will do mate:>

[Possum]

Those are really beautiful pickups, my hat's off to anyone who does this level of insanity ;-)

[Ward]

Those are really beautiful pickups, my hat's off to anyone who does this level of insanity ;-)

Thanks Dave, well now that I've had time to relax and get over the stress of doing the bobbins I've decided the SG looks real good with it loaded into the guitar and that the only thing to do now is build another one for the neck. So that one will be a 49.2 Gibson size, I have the new maple bobbins all drilled out and ready for the router. It's actually not a big deal to make the second lot once you've done it once. I'll post a pic of the guitar when I have both fitted, actually I should start a new thread, I'll take a pic before the wire goes on and show how I ground the bodgy custom router bit up. I'll try to remember to measure the center section this time to see how it compares to the stock Mojo bobbin.

[Maggotroid]

Why does every thread about PAFs descend into chaotic unreadable mayhem filled with hearsay and misdirection? Otherwise, there is much good information on this forum. Mention P*F and...blooooeeeeeyyyy!!!! IŽll go back in my cave now.

[David Schwab]

Why does every thread about PAFs descend into chaotic unreadable mayhem filled with hearsay and misdirection? Otherwise, there is much good information on this forum. Mention P*F and...blooooeeeeeyyyy!!!! IŽll go back in my cave now.

I think you can find some very good info on PAFs here, as well as a lot of speculation and well informed opinions. A few of the members here have taken them apart and done accurate copies. But side none of us where present when the originals were made, some of the blanks must be filled in with good guesses. There can only be hearsay on some aspects of them, but I see no misdirection.

Many guitarist are misinformed about PAFs, and what they actually sound like, so there is this whole mystique and romanticism built up around them.

[63 335]

I just recieved my Lee Roy Parnell Paul and have had the chance to play it for a few days. The neck of the guitar is killer, perfect size not to big and not to small. Feels great. The neck etc. and evrything is else is wonderfull but the best feature of the guitar is the pickups. They are not screaming or super hot PAFs. As Lee Roy stated in the introductory video for the guitar, Humbuckers were not designed to be hot or add volume to an instrument. They were designed to cancel noise.

The pickups in his LP sound P-90ish without the noise. To be honest they are some of the best sounding newer production pickups I have played. Very musical, cut through a band mix great, well balanced, respond really well to pick attack etc. and have great tone. I mean really great unique tone. Inspire you to play tone. Thats really hard to come by in newer guitars these days.

If you are a super high gain metal type player these are probably not the pickups for you but is you play country, classic rock, jazz, alternative etc. great pickups and guitar.

I was fortunate to grab the only Lee Roy I have seen on Ebay for a great price. I played the guitar for a few days through different amps and I am sold, its a keeper. One of the best newer Gibsons I have purchased and I must say I have purchased quite a few that werent so good. Great Guitar.

[big_teee]

I just recieved my Lee Roy Parnell Paul and have had the chance to play it for a few days. The neck of the guitar is killer, perfect size not to big and not to small. Feels great. The neck etc. and evrything is else is wonderfull but the best feature of the guitar is the pickups. They are not screaming or super hot PAFs. As Lee Roy stated in the introductory video for the guitar, Humbuckers were not designed to be hot or add volume to an instrument. They were designed to cancel noise.

The pickups in his LP sound P-90ish without the noise. To be honest they are some of the best sounding newer production pickups I have played. Very musical, cut through a band mix great, well balanced, respond really well to pick attack etc. and have great tone. I mean really great unique tone. Inspire you to play tone. Thats really hard to come by in newer guitars these days.

If you are a super high gain metal type player these are probably not the pickups for you but is you play country, classic rock, jazz, alternative etc. great pickups and guitar.

I was fortunate to grab the only Lee Roy I have seen on Ebay for a great price. I played the guitar for a few days through different amps and I am sold, its a keeper. One of the best newer Gibsons I have purchased and I must say I have purchased quite a few that werent so good. Great Guitar.

Glad you like the guitar.
The world is absolutely flooded with fine PAF & Humbucker Pickups, & builders.
You can spend a little or an absolute fortune on Humbuckers.
There are dozens of builders on this forum that make great PAFs and Buckers.
Personally I am partial to My Own!
Good Luck,
T
** BTW, welcome to the Forum!