Daily Run Down, & Round Table-P/Us

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Also, yes Terry the bad connection probably wouldn't have happened if I wasn't using the PE. But my guess is, this customer would have gone on to some other maker if he thought it wasn't PE wire either, whether it actually sounds any different or not. I just need to be more careful with my wire preparation. It was probably not enough sanding.

Sonny, You have good looking Clones.
I like the way you put the little stamp marks on the feet.
PE, is very desireable, everyone wants it.
It's getting harder to find and afford.
I don't mention the wire type, unless I am asked.
It gets more expensinve if you want PE.
T

[copperheadroads]

It's tough getting a true vintage humbucker tone using spn
I've had more sucess using it in p-90's

[big_teee]

It's tough getting a true vintage humbucker tone using spn
I've had more sucess using it in p-90's

Most of us have never heard a PAF, except maybe when Jimmy Page played one.
I just try to make things that sound good to me, and hopefully others.
I lost a sale , a while back, the guy I've made several pickups for.
He wanted a PAF that sounded exactly like a 59.
I told him I had no idea what that sounded like?
He had me make him the pickup anyway, and he never picked it up.
I hope he found his 59!

[copperheadroads]

Well IMO I don't hear much vintage tone in any current Gibson humbuckers ,but the current standard Gibson p-90 does have some vintage honk
With this said that don't mean you can't make a great sounding humbucker using more modern ingredients

[RedHouse]

It's tough getting a true vintage humbucker tone using spn
I've had more sucess using it in p-90's

I'd say "it's tough selling a PAF using SPN" would be more like it IMHO.

Back when I was doing my own personal tests with friends and fellow musicians (using PE and PN) I noticed everyone who was a guitar player would tend to favor a PE when they knew it was PE. On another day I changed things up and didn't tell anyone which was which, that is when I noticed vastly different reply's from those participating.

Now days I only wind with PE if my customer asks for it, and if they want a PAF clone (ie; stone-nut's for the details) then I point them to the others who focus on doing that. I have no interest in being a PAF deciple, I've played plenty of them in my 40 years as a guitar player and IMHO most of them had no special magic to offer, only once in a while I've come across any that sounded "great" and I really am of the opinion it had more to do with the guitar it was installed in than the pickup itself.

So many guitar players think that they can just drop a different pickup (let's say PAF repro) into their 2012 Les Paul standard, or China made Epiphone, or even an Rx, and it will magicaly turn it into an old-wood '59 Les Paul, which just doesn't happen. Those great sounding 59's had great sounding wood to start with (and were'nt built on Monday or Friday!) then, they had PAF pickups installed.

I bet'cha if the historic timeline was a little different, say PAF's had moved on to T-tops before they were introduced into the Les Paul series, today we'd all be hearing people hail SPN as "the tone monster thing". There's an interesting video on Youtube where Dicky Bett's makes a statement about changing the pickups in one of his old guitars and he says "it didn't make any difference in the sound, I think we were wrong about pickups". I know Bett's isn't everyones favorite, but he's no tone slouch, he's got a great ear.

Well IMO I don't hear much vintage tone in any current Gibson humbuckers ,but the current standard Gibson p-90 does have some vintage honk
With this said that don't mean you can't make a great sounding humbucker using more modern ingredients

Not to sound like I'm arguing here, but they didn't all have that honk (some call nasal) tone. I recall playing a late 50's 335 which I loved the tone of (had original, virgin, PAFs) which sounded to me as if they were SPN, nice and clear, full range, no honk or nasal tone.

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I'd say "it's tough selling a PAF using SPN" would be more like it IMHO.

Back when I was doing my own personal tests with friends and fellow musicians (using PE and PN) I noticed everyone who was a guitar player would tend to favor a PE when they knew it was PE. On another day I changed things up and didn't tell anyone which was which, that is when I noticed vastly different reply's from those participating.

Now days I only wind with PE if my customer asks for it, and if they want a PAF clone (ie; stone-nut's for the details) then I point them to the others who focus on doing that. I have no interest in being a PAF deciple, I've played plenty of them in my 40 years as a guitar player and IMHO most of them had no special magic to offer, only once in a while I've come across any that sounded "great" and I really am of the opinion it had more to do with the guitar it was installed in than the pickup itself.

So many guitar players think that they can just drop a different pickup (let's say PAF repro) into their 2012 Les Paul standard, or China made Epiphone, or even an Rx, and it will magicaly turn it into an old-wood '59 Les Paul, which just doesn't happen. Those great sounding 59's had great sounding wood to start with (and were'nt built on Monday or Friday!) then, they had PAF pickups installed.

I bet'cha if the historic timeline was a little different, say PAF's had moved on to T-tops before they were introduced into the Les Paul series, today we'd all be hearing people hail SPN as "the tone monster thing". There's an interesting video on Youtube where Dicky Bett's makes a statement about changing the pickups in one of his old guitars and he says "it didn't make any difference in the sound, I think we were wrong about pickups". I know Bett's isn't everyones favorite, but he's no tone slouch, he's got a great ear.




Not to sound like I'm arguing here, but they didn't all have that honk (some call nasal) tone. I recall playing a late 50's 335 which I loved the tone of (had original, virgin, PAFs) which sounded to me as if they were SPN, nice and clear, full range, no honk or nasal tone.

I do believe in the magic guitar sydrome!
A friend in town is a guitar tech at a guitar store.
He has my pickups in a 74 big head Strat.
He has sold several sets of my pickups with that guitar.
I am pretty sure any pickups would sound OK in that guitar.
But, hey if you want a set of my SCs, fine.

[RedHouse]

I do believe in the magic guitar sydrome!
..

"I do believe, I do, I do, I do..."
(ie; the Lion on Wizard Of Oz)

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To go a step further.
A ten pound Mahogany LP, has a good start to great tone.
I have a cheap Agile Left hand copy.
It Weighs 10 pounds 4 ounces without a strap.
Every neck pickup you stick in it sounds good.
Some better than others.
The bridge pickup is trickier.
A friend has the same guitar in a RH model.
I have put the same pickups in both guitars, and they always sound different.
I was always surprised of the difference in tone.
T

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Speaking of Sustain, Check this out!

[RedHouse]

Dan Erlewine once said it very well in one of his books, it's not the weight/density of the wood, it's how the wood couples (or decouples) vibrations between bridge and nut that make for sustain. That guy that makes the earvanna nuts even goes so far as to say he sometimes puts wafers of plastic or mylar between the neck and body joint (bolt-on guitars) to modify the "coupling" of the woods.

That guy in the video needs a day job at Guitar Center, he reminds me of some types that work there.
(no offense to anyone who works there, everyone needs a job)

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That guy in the video needs a day job at Guitar Center, he reminds me of some types that work there.
(no offense to anyone who works there, everyone needs a job)

He Doesn't have enough Tatoos to work in the Little Rock, AR Guitar Center!
Your right the sustain is in the PFM Realm!
T

[copperheadroads]

Boy !!!!! Am I ever missing out on the Christmas rush.I been getting many emails daily looking for pups
luckily most can & will wait till I get back winding again

[SonnyW]

Boy !!!!! Am I ever missing out on the Christmas rush.I been getting many emails daily looking for pups
luckily most can & will wait till I get back winding again

Not me. I am hoping that my good customers will all get new guitars for Christmas so I can set them up. Not so much interest lately in pickups here in my locale. I have only one pickup order and one setup and one repair in the shop this week. Last month was better than this.

[copperheadroads]

QUOTE=SonnyW;285281]Not me. I am hoping that my good customers will all get new guitars for Christmas so I can set them up. Not so much interest lately in pickups here in my locale. I have only one pickup order and one setup and one repair in the shop this week. Last month was better than this.[/QUOTE]

You know Sonny I never really thought about potentially getting new guitars/new business because of Christmas .
This will be my last year of closing shop for the winter...
on another note, My Wife bought me a epi dot for Christmas ,What's your fav pickup specs for this style guitar

[SonnyW]

QUOTE=SonnyW;285281]Not me. I am hoping that my good customers will all get new guitars for Christmas so I can set them up. Not so much interest lately in pickups here in my locale. I have only one pickup order and one setup and one repair in the shop this week. Last month was better than this.

You know Sonny I never really thought about potentially getting new guitars/new business because of Christmas .
This will be my last year of closing shop for the winter...
on another note, My Wife bought me a epi dot for Christmas ,What's your fav pickup specs for this style guitar[/QUOTE]

Top secret trade secrets revealed here-- Just my opinion though.
Bridge 42PE 5540 turns screw side, 5300 turns slug side, A5
Neck 42PE 5175 turns screw side, 5100 turns slug side A2
both wound fairly tight with about 30 grams tension
I have 3 epi dots, and I like them a lot.

Edit: don't know what happened with the quotes here, kind of goofy, my keyboard I guess. But Merry Christmas anyhow.